BASC launches register of competent deer stalkers

[ThreeOhEight]

I do not have any permissions for deer. I pay for my stalking. I live in a crowded part of the country and I have no contacts within the rural community near me.

This register costs me nothing to join and might lead to me getting something in the future. I do not currently have DSC2 but I was going to do it anyway.

I am relatively young and frankly I see this as a no lose situation for me; at worst I get no stalking (my current situation) at best I get something.

Paperwork and qualifications are a long trend in other industries. If anything it is a surprise that shooting doesn't have more formal qualifications attached to firearms licensing and for that one should count one's blessings I think.

 

[Pete6.5]

Are you after a deer manager?

No but I've spoken to land owners when they have asked for my advice and unlike others my instant reaction is not to give it to me because I understand that someone can ruin their reputation by taking something on and not achieving the goals needed.

 

[David Barker]

No but I've spoken to land owners when they have asked for my advice and unlike others my instant reaction is not to give it to me because I understand that someone can ruin their reputation by taking something on and not achieving the goals needed.

Here is the issue and i feel for any one with little or no stalking.That said i have given out many bits of ground only for the landowner to be let down and not happy with me for the recommendations. BASC will not fair well from landowners if they recommend people from there list and the people chosen let them down. The top brass at BASC know this and i feel this is just a push for training and while there are lots of training providers the Big winner is always BASC/DMQ . Good luck to all that go on the list and all who gain deer management from it.

 

[baguio]

Great idea! The land owners have a better (Nothing is guarranteed) chance of getting a competant and committed stalker rather any old person who just wants one for the pot as he probably can't sell them legally. All bar one of my deer management land requires DSC2 minimum. Even a farmer I approached for land boardering a wood I manage said yes because he knew that I would have to be qualified and insured to be shooting the wood. Public footpaths are all over it so non qualified people would never be given permission, regardless of their experience. That is the way the world has been going for years and land owners are becoming more aware all the time. Well done BASC. Hopefully this scheme will have positive results for it's loyal members.

 

[Bowland blades]

I think qualifications are great, I have a whole load of shooting & stalking related ones myself. However, during my 10+ years stalking career I've encountered quite a few people that are exceptionally competent at managing wild deer and putting wholesome meat into the food chain that have no qualifications whatsoever!

I have also known a fair few very well qualified idiots ! I tend to take a few but only for the sake of not missing something because somebody asks for a particular thing 99.9% of the time they ask for the deer or some of the deer shot . I have produced my level 1 and level 2 ,i think no more than three times in what might be 20 years now . First aid and forestry? Never !

 

[Overlay]

I have also known a fair few very well qualified idiots ! I tend to take a few but only for the sake of not missing something because somebody asks for a particular thing 99.9% of the time they ask for the deer or some of the deer shot . I have produced my level 1 and level 2 ,i think no more than three times in what might be 20 years now . First aid and forestry? Never !

You’ve done very well in that case, it’s getting pretty well the norm now for a proper insurance not a club type one, first aid, manual handling, RA-MS for everything electronic stalkng calendars, live locators, cull monthly / predictive numbers, yearly review etc etc, that’s without all the paperwork if you have a chiller and the usual paperwork L1 L2 ADM and even for deer some are asking for a wild boar ticket even if there isn’t any where you stalk and don’t forget non toxic

a lot can be placed on the ever ready internet but the most common is covering ones arse syndrome from land management companies and institution type custodians of land

Give yourself a nice pat on the shoulder and prepare for further changes that are being thought up as we speak, it ain’t going away that’s for sure

it would be nice to sit on your laurels but that won’t last long

The 6p’s are very evident now

 

[Dickie]

I can't see what difference this will make to most. If you have stalking and the owner/person granting your permission is happy then they will probably only worry you have insurance because they are happy. If you have the bits of paper then bonus.
We all see posts on here about I've knocked on doors, put letters through doors etc etc and everywhere has stalkers or don't want anyone on there ground so where is all this magic land full of deer that nobody has tried to get stalking on?

 

[Bowland blades]

You’ve done very well in that case, it’s getting pretty well the norm now for a proper insurance not a club type one, first aid, manual handling, RA-MS for everything electronic stalkng calendars, live locators, cull monthly / predictive numbers, yearly review etc etc, that’s without all the paperwork if you have a chiller and the usual paperwork L1 L2 ADM and even for deer some are asking for a wild boar ticket even if there isn’t any where you stalk and don’t forget non toxic

a lot can be placed on the ever ready internet but the most common is covering ones arse syndrome from land management companies and institution type custodians of land

Give yourself a nice pat on the shoulder and prepare for further changes that are being thought up as we speak, it ain’t going away that’s for sure

it would be nice to sit on your laurels but that won’t last long

The 6p’s are very evident now

I pretty much have them all but like i say , asked to produce the paperwork is very , very rare . Not against it but i do think some orgs and private trainers are only drivers for cash in their pockets today

 

[Overlay]

I pretty much have them all but like i say , asked to produce the paperwork is very , very rare . Not against it but i do think some orgs and private trainers are only drivers for cash in their pockets today

I pretty much have them all but like i say , asked to produce the paperwork is very , very rare . Not against it but i do think some orgs and private trainers are only drivers for cash in their pockets today

Yep these days you have to have compliance, closely attached to that is like any industry or sport someone looks to make a dollar or two off the back of it, modern days unfortunately, for someone coming into stalking my recommendations would be to stick to known providers with training history, rather than online burble and a 30 min test in the end your personal (training if you like) planning into stalking competency could lose you experience
As getting a mentor to assist you on your journey are as rare as rocking horse dung now,

 

[.222roebuck]

I pretty much have them all but like i say , asked to produce the paperwork is very , very rare . Not against it but i do think some orgs and private trainers are only drivers for cash in their pockets today

I’ve been asked if I have it once in over 20 years of stalking , never asked to see it but just asked if I have it , and I cover a lot of different grounds , estates , stately homes , commercial premises plus a couple of shoots and several farms …. Can’t be that important

 

[User00047]

Undoubtedly. Just like moving the LGMH element from level 1 to level 2.
Previously, nobody had to move on to level 2, which was therefore a lost source of revenue. Now, assuming people want to stick with the "trusted" DMQ* then, unless you only stalk for home consumption, you've got no choice but to do level 2.

(* I know there are other options, but the DMQ route is the one that's (currently) most widely recognised).

So does this mean that DSC1 alone doesn’t give you the ability to sell carcasses to a game dealer?

 

[VSS]

So does this mean that DSC1 alone doesn’t give you the ability to sell carcasses to a game dealer?

Not anymore.

 

[User00047]

Not anymore.

Crikey, that was a sneaky move eh?
Can you do LGMH on its own somehow?

 

[User00047]

Game Meat Hygiene Training – Qdos Training

www.qdostraining.com

Is this it?

 

[T.eddie]

Game Meat Hygiene Training – Qdos Training

www.qdostraining.com

Is this it?

Yeah that looks to be it

 

[VSS]

Game Meat Hygiene Training – Qdos Training

www.qdostraining.com

Is this it?

No.
That one is a basic certificate only valid for 5 years.
To get the qualification required to supply carcases to an AGHE you need to do the LANTRA LGMH course. That's what used to be part of DSC1.

 

[T.eddie]

No.
That one is a basic certificate only valid for 5 years.
To get the qualification required to supply carcases to an AGHE you need to do the LANTRA LGMH course. That's what used to be part of DSC1.

It does look like this would allow it, as a lantra certified course and mentions organising dispatch into the food chain as well as inspecting the carcass for suitability into the food chain, I'd have thought those were the components needed, may be wrong but I can't see any real differences there

 

[VSS]

It does look like this would allow it, as a lantra certified course and mentions organising dispatch into the food chain as well as inspecting the carcass for suitability into the food chain, I'd have thought those were the components needed, may be wrong but I can't see any real differences there

This is the paragraph that caught my eye:

"Upon successful completion of this eLearning course you can go on to take the ‘Level 2 Award in Wild Game Meat Hygiene’ certificate accredited by Lantra Awards, City and Guilds or other Awarding Organisations that are approved for this qualification. The course covers only the theory aspects preparing trainees for their assessment"

Which suggests to me that the £35 / 40minute e-learning course is just a preliminary to doing the LANTRA qualification. And I'm pretty sure it's the LANTRA one you need to give you the "trained hunter" number required for selling to an AGHE. But I may be wrong, of course.

 

[Bowland blades]

Yep these days you have to have compliance, closely attached to that is like any industry or sport someone looks to make a dollar or two off the back of it, modern days unfortunately, for someone coming into stalking my recommendations would be to stick to known providers with training history, rather than online burble and a 30 min test in the end your personal (training if you like) planning into stalking competency could lose you experience
As getting a mentor to assist you on your journey are as rare as rocking horse dung now,

true on tinternet

 

[T.eddie]

This is the paragraph that caught my eye:

"Upon successful completion of this eLearning course you can go on to take the ‘Level 2 Award in Wild Game Meat Hygiene’ certificate accredited by Lantra Awards, City and Guilds or other Awarding Organisations that are approved for this qualification. The course covers only the theory aspects preparing trainees for their assessment"

Which suggests to me that the £35 / 40minute e-learning course is just a preliminary to doing the LANTRA qualification. And I'm pretty sure it's the LANTRA one you need to give you the "trained hunter" number required for selling to an AGHE. But I may be wrong, of course.

You may be right mate if that doesn't include an assessment