Legality and Efficacy of Bowhunting in the UK

Should Bowhunting be legalised in the UK?

  • Yes

    Votes: 53 40.5%
  • No

    Votes: 64 48.9%
  • Yes with a Specification on FAC

    Votes: 14 10.7%

  • Total voters
    131
As is the case currently, but, say bow hunting becomes commonplace, an FAC holder has a compound for shooting in the garden he decides to take it out for a deer and landowner doesn’t ask to see FAC. He will just go bow hunting.

My point is, how will it be policed?
The same way that someone poaches Deer now. Either without the landowners consent or with an unsuitable calibre rifle.

How many landowners are checking that the stalker using a 243 is getting 1700ft/lbs from the 80grain bullet they're using? Ot checking their FAC has the correct wording and allowances that means they can shoot deer.

It comes down to the landowner to responsibly check what a stalker is doing on their land and that the stalker is abiding by the current laws.

Just because the law allows a bow to be used doesn't mean that there will be an increase in poaching with a bow.
 
Bugger this. Im going to have to get a bow now (not for UK hunting) just for targets then maybe a Euro trip.

I shoot right handed but use bows left handed, wierd, I know.

But get looking in the classifieds.
 
Bugger this. Im going to have to get a bow now (not for UK hunting) just for targets then maybe a Euro trip.

I shoot right handed but use bows left handed, wierd, I know.

But get looking in the classifieds.
If this thread has achieved nothing else at least I might have someone to do some target practice with!
 
If this thread has achieved nothing else at least I might have someone to do some target practice with!

I've only ever used them in a one off, recreational, have a go kind of way, never proper practice. But, I wasn't bad.

A friend of mine had a Bear Hunter recurve bow, that was nice, easy to shoot.

Let me know if you're ever in The Shire.
 
I am happy to throw my hat into the ring on this one, so here goes. No. I have extensive experience of shooting a variety of different bows over many decades, I have made my own arrows, and believe I am pretty accurate with a bow. I am not accurate enough though, and that is the point. Watching African clips on U-tube, unless the archer is very close the animal has time to react and move, hence a "perfect" shot may miss the vital area. Near enough is not good enough. There will be a high incidence of wounding, far too high to be ethical. A secondary issue is the lack of noise and the possibility of aiding poaching. So, just to be clear, no.
 
I am happy to throw my hat into the ring on this one, so here goes. No. I have extensive experience of shooting a variety of different bows over many decades, I have made my own arrows, and believe I am pretty accurate with a bow. I am not accurate enough though, and that is the point. Watching African clips on U-tube, unless the archer is very close the animal has time to react and move, hence a "perfect" shot may miss the vital area. Near enough is not good enough. There will be a high incidence of wounding, far too high to be ethical. A secondary issue is the lack of noise and the possibility of aiding poaching. So, just to be clear, no.
They’re already used for poaching, just as illegal handguns are used for crimes.
 
I think it would be brilliant to hunt with a bow or spear. Proper, quite stalking pitting man Vs beast, getting sub 20 yards. Hell yeh.

There's been a number of occasions I've not taken a shot because I've not been happy with a backstop however I dare say it would have been a different story with a bow, I'd have been able to create a backstop using my position where a centrefire simply wasn't the tool for the job on the chance of a deflection and the bullet going over the hill.
 
Packham and his gang would absolutely eat us alive and so would the rest of the fluffy animal brigade .

You only have to read some of the stupid posts on hear were some cant even zero a scope or work out the hold over for 200m
We would be seeing pictures of deer walking about with a broad-head poking out of its arse on the 6 pm news .

Christ you only have to look at the devastation the man can do to our legal countryside sports with 25K and a go fund me page !

Half the reason we allowed the rifles we have IS for shooting deer , how long would it be before we hear someone report back saying they have just had a variation for said rifle turned down and was told to go buy a bow 😂

Its a stupid f—-king idea 😂


If you want to go wounding deer with a bow f—k off to the states and do it !

Just my out dated opinion .
I'd put good money on it you wouldn't volunteer to stand in front of a compound bow and a decent head... 😂 They're capable of killing, just as a 22lr is. Hell, a slingshot would work in the right scenario...
 
I do not know how many of you recall that after Foot and Mouth in the early "noughties" there was debate about wounding rates. The BDS ran a study involving surveys of professional stalkers, contracting stalkers (killing large numbers), recreational stalkers and larger game dealers. I cannot remember exactly when but the results were published in about 2003. As I recall the shot, wounded and lost rate was under 0.5%. Those requiring a second or despatch shot was around 1.5% at that time. The American Bow Hunters were also asked for their wounded and lost rates and their located but not dead on hunter's arrival and the respective figures were around 2% and nearly 4%. This says to me that on humanitarian grounds we should not be permitting bow hunting in the UK. @Charles S-J may be able to verify these figures.

I used to teach on DSC 1 courses and explain that it is actually very difficult to extinguish all four vital functions without using a cartoon ten ton weight falling on the victim. The vital signs are: Consciousness (brain function), the Central Nervous System ( the spinal column and limb control), Circulation, and Respiration (breathing). The nearest one can get is by a shot at the atlas joint (where the head joins the neck). A shot here reduces consciousness almost immediately, mucks up the central nervous system by detaching it from the brain and breathing is also interrupted because the wound channel usually interferes with the nervous system sufficiently to stop breathing which is controlled from the brain. The heart will continue to beat (increasingly sporadically) for up to 20 minutes in the larger species - incidentally assisting with bleeding out the carcass if "stuck" and drained quickly.

A heart/lung shot usually interrupts the Circulation and Respiration (breathing) functions fairly efficiently and because blood pressure to the brain is reduced the animal will also usually lose Consciousness within 3-9 seconds (in my experience usually in the early half of this time period).

As slow-motion video usually shows the animals reaction to the bowstring is quick and the very different velocities accentuate this as the range increases. I remember watching a video where the (white tailed deer) sank down slightly on report of the bowstring before straightening its legs again to stand up and receive the arrow perfectly in the heart/lung area. The wound channel from arrows and bolts is indeed large and fatal - my problem with it is that it usually takes longer to die than from an appropriate rifle bullet.

I have no difficulty with the skill levels required to kill an animal with a bow and I, like many on here, I have played with bows as a younger man. I have never shot an animal with one. Bernard Horton-Corcoran claimed to have shot the"big five in Africa with a (cross)bow of his own make together with Grizzly and Black bears in Canada. He told me that the bolt exited from the grizzly, having passed through its spine, as it towered above him at a not very great distance (under 20 yards).

My gripe, a matter referred to in other threads, is that too few folk practice enough their shooting and are too busy playing with their range finders and other gizmos to be efficient deer killers. It takes time and practice to acquire skills but those of range judging, seeing a firing position (whether in the woods or on the hill), are skills which can be practiced when walking the dogs with a stick. I used to shoot just under 4 rounds at paper for every 1 at a deer for many years. I shall await the incoming from those who love their technology. Technology is good, but so is speed of thought and action.

The 3 primary rules for a good stalker are Safety, Humanity and Legality in that priority order, I suggest.
 
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I failed in the above to say that the cartoon ten ton weight does not do anything for the texture or flavour of the meat! My late mother used to call such mixed flesh and gut content be it beast or fowl, "strawberry jam" on the roadside.
 
I'd like to say yes, and I know bows are more than capable, lets face it, its the same method as a bullet. However, the first picture of an animal with an arrow/bolt stuck in its neck from a misplaced shot would be the end of it.
 
How can you licence bows when so many have them for non hunting purposes?
Just to clarify - my response was that hunting with a bow should require a licence if introduced, but not owning a bow. (Although it never will be here!)

That way it may help to identify the low lives using them to poach and that think nothing of leaving an arrow sticking out of some poor beastie. At least if registered and you had identified

The poll responses were a bit vague though so that was my interpretation of it.

Regards,
Gixer
 
Just to clarify - my response was that hunting with a bow should require a licence if introduced, but not owning a bow. (Although it never will be here!)

That way it may help to identify the low lives using them to poach and that think nothing of leaving an arrow sticking out of some poor beastie. At least if registered and you had identified

The poll responses were a bit vague though so that was my interpretation of it.

Regards,
Gixer
If arrows were stamped with the licence number of the hunter they belonged to, it would be pretty easy to identify whether beasties left with arrows sticking out of them were the work of legal hunters (and if so, exactly who), or illegal hunters.
 
If arrows were stamped with the licence number of the hunter they belonged to, it would be pretty easy to identify whether beasties left with arrows sticking out of them were the work of legal hunters (and if so, exactly who), or illegal hunters.
I’m maybe missing the questions here …..That’s what I said. 🤔
 
I’m maybe missing the questions here …..That’s what I said. 🤔
Oh. I didn't see that. You said that hunting with a bow should require a licence, but you didn't mention individually marked arrows as far as I could see. Maybe I missed that bit, or maybe you thought it but didn't type it?
Bit yes, we were thinking along similar lines.
 
Oh. I didn't see that. You said that hunting with a bow should require a licence, but you didn't mention individually marked arrows as far as I could see. Maybe I missed that bit, or maybe you thought it but didn't type it?
Bit yes, we were thinking along similar lines.
Sorry, I maybe wasn’t clear in my post - but yes, I would be all for registering the arrows. 👍🏻
 
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