Driving Conviction - Will I Lose FAC/SGC?

[MAH]

If I do will I have an opportunity to sell them or will they be siezed?

My understanding is, if they decide to revoke your licence, then it will happen quickly. You'll not be given notice, or time to sell.

Forgive me for being blunt, as I expect the following may be a painful move for you, but the event you described demonstrates very reckless behaviour. It's not a minor traffic offence.

Revocation is not extra punishment, its about protecting the public.
Right now, the authorities will not know if there has been:
A. a permanent change in your personality from a fit and proper person, to a reckless person.
Or
B. if it was a momentarily lapse in judgement by an otherwise very responsible person.

So, if I was n you position I'd play safe and assume they will revoke it and I would
A. Transfer any "special" shotguns to a friends certificate without delay.
B. As above with rifles if they can process a variation in time.
C. Often scopes are worth more than the rifle. I'd remove them and store separately.
D. I'd move other certificated items, that have no special value to you, to my dealer for sale.

M

 

[old 30-06]

Little Willy, The moral of this story is that if you are a firearms certificate holder, do not put yourself in harms way ! Even if Little Willy "escapes" with points on his driving license and keeps his firearms certificate there will be a great deal of anguish and stress caused by these circumstances. He would also have "one strike" recorded against him, and it would be unlikely that leniency would be extended to him in the future. Just to be exact, the offence is contrary to the Road Traffic Act 1972, as amended by the Road Traffic Amalgamation Act 1988.

 

[Stalker62]

Is it just me that hates dash cam warriors ?

That is the least of your worries...

 

[Jeff8861]

You’re missing the point…
if Firearms licensing decides that you are no longer “a suitable person” then your FAC is revoked.
Admitting to doing something “stupid and dangerous” isn’t a good idea.
Do you think this forum is private…?
DG

You're missing the point firearms licensing don't need to read this. They will know all about if it's gone to the police

 

[Liveonce]

Offence:
Disobeying traffic signs and police signals
Contrary to:
Section 35 and 36 RTA 1988

If they bring no offence of dangerous driving and it is your first offence I would say the likely probability is they will not take away your firearms but you will not get a second chance.

 

[DavyG]

You're missing the point firearms licensing don't need to read this. They will know all about if it's gone to the police

I shouldn’t have to explain myself…but you really don’t get it.
Read post #1.

 

[gixer1]

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BTW this is in no way a reflection on the OP who was open enough to post of his "faux pas".

I had DashCam fitted to the truck a year or so following my wife's 'no fault' accident. Had she had a DashCam the fault (other driver) would have been clear.

Last year over 55,000 DashCam recordings of 'dangerous' driving were reported to the Police. 70% of videos sent in resulted in punishment for offenders, ranging from warning letters to driving convictions and bans.

Like it or not - it's here and it's working.

You certainly did bite….however, it also leads to the absolute morons like the lady that reported me for “coming out of nowhere”….and “riding like a maniac weaving between cars”

….the police officer called me to say there had been a complaint and then informed me that he had explained “motorcycles don’t come out of nowhere so did she need to be more observant” and how my “weaving in and out of traffic was called filtering and was perfectly legal…

A great use of police time having to investigate reports from over enthusiastic do-gooders.

Regards,
Gixer

 

[timbrayford]

You’re missing the point…
if Firearms licensing decides that you are no longer “a suitable person” then your FAC is revoked.
Admitting to doing something “stupid and dangerous” isn’t a good idea.
Do you think this forum is private…?
DG

On the other hand an acknowledgement of wrong doing and genuine remorse will go in the OPs favour. If you read the test case the FAC holder had his license revoked because he persistently committed drink driving offences which the FLD argued successfully indicated his disrespect for the law and was not therefore 'fit to be entrusted "

 

[Tim.243]

Trial by the jury....Taylor's fate was all ready sealed "Taylor save yourself"

 

[EdgarF]

Plus, it makes great YouTube content of people being t*ts.

Although sometimes the people posting the content on YouTube are the bigger tits.

 

[Morkai]

Although sometimes the people posting the content on YouTube are the bigger tits.

Oh yeah, plenty of them.

 

[Dazb1967]

Not so at at all ! Totting up points is enough , if you get an outright driving ban from this , three points and its going to be less likely but sure its deffo on the cards with most forces if you acted obviously recklessly ( ie stopping then deciding to go on the red) , drink driving doesn't generally get custodial but it will mostly see you loose your guns !

I know with Northumbria police you don't necessarily lose your licence for drink driving, (Not me by the way) but I know someone who made a foolish mistake and was banned but kept his FAC

 

[purdey24]

Acquaintance of mine got caught drink driving, convicted & points on licence but no revocation of FAC or SGC. He then got caught drink driving a second time & this time he lost his certificates. He was able to reapply for them after a period of time & got them back. My take on it would be if you've a clean licence & no history, i.e. no 'expired' driving offences, & you get yourself a good brief who puts together a cogent argument in your defence then you've a reasonable chance of keeping your certificate(s).

Anyone who gets caught drunk driving twice should lose their certificates permanently.
Not a fit and proper person to be in charge of a deadly weapon.
I hope he doesn't live near me.

 

[VSS]

Anyone who gets caught drunk driving twice should lose their certificates permanently.
Not a fit and proper person to be in charge of a deadly weapon.
I hope he doesn't live near me.

Why wait until the second time?

 

[Pedro]

Generally speaking, one incident doesn't a reckless person make. Although it does depend on that incident. A series of such things, even minor law infringements will give rise to the conclusion that you are not only reckless, but someone who sees rules and regulations as something not necessarily to be adhered to. Like your firearms conditions and so on.

So, obviously we aren't on here the ones making decisions. But your conviction will automatically be referred to the firearms dept, who will decide on what happens. As only a guess, I think you'd be unlucky to lose your certificates for this, assuming you otherwise are as white as the driven snow. But don't hold me to that!

 

[Salmonfisher]

Ok so I admit I’ve done something really stupid and dangerous, although no harm was done in the end. I went through a rail crossing on a red before the barrier came down and a driver in another vehicle has sent in their dash-cam footage to the police. My wife is the registered keeper of the vehicle and has sent off the form to confirm it was me driving.

I’ve googled the likely outcome which looks like somewhere between being sent on a driving awareness course up to a minimum 12 month ban and a criminal conviction for dangerous driving. Not that it will matter but it’s totally out of character and not an example of how I usually drive at all.

My question is whether I will automatically lose my guns if I’m convicted? If I do will I have an opportunity to sell them or will they be siezed?

As said many times it depends on the FAO and the degree of prosecution. I am aware of two friends both convicted of drink driving the first offence was not impacted but the second lost the cert for duration. The police deemed the second offence more serious because of the impact to others

 

[enfieldspares]

Do we need to see this. Maybe not. But here's Ronnie. Or three minutes of your life you won't get back.

 

[SussexSteve]

No but do make sure you fill any future forms in properly

 

[Ranger22]

Nope, only a custodial sentence is automatic loss

Sorry, your wrong

 

[Donkey Basher]

Anyone who gets caught drunk driving twice should lose their certificates permanently.
Not a fit and proper person to be in charge of a deadly weapon.
I hope he doesn't live near me.

I'm not going to put the details on a forum but I think even the most pious amongst us might take a statement like that back if they knew the back story.

The point I was making was that a single conviction might not necessarily result in revocation but a second demonstrates a disregard for the law which then becomes a concern & resulted in revocation.