MAH
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Blimey Colin.
Please be patient with our old folk.
For sure the drive slower.
They walk slower too.
What next?
Ban people from the pavement if they have walking sticks?
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New law to retake driving test at 65
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Please be patient with our old folk.
For sure the drive slower.
They walk slower too.
What next?
Ban people from the pavement if they have walking sticks?
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If you would like to drive a race car against me I will gladly drive circle around you and I'm 71 years old and still driving 20000 mls a year.
Morkai
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Lucky its 10am, sometimes we get a few old timers in a Micra doing 35mph during the morning commute on one of the main A roads in the county, a road that doesnt really have any overtaking spots (especially when they have a train of HGVs stuck behind them).
MAH
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sikamalc
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This government could not balance anything, and any previous goverment either.
If they stopped wasting so much money on stupid projects like HS2 or giving their little chums government contracts, such as the PPE scandal, there would be plenty of money to go round. They couldnt run a bath, any of them.
As for pensions, your broad statement that the average person is living longer is just another excuse the government use. Life is a lottery, no one knows how long they will live. But there are thousands who never make it to draw a penny on their pension. So what happens to all the money they paid into the system then?
What makes the younger generation think that we had it any easier? All this crying and bitching, grow up, get a set of balls, get another job, work hard, stop expecting to be bailed out every five minutes. But don't start knocking all those that paid into the system over their life time.
That would be me buggered. I do not think I could lower my driving standard back down to low enough to pass the DSA test again!
Having been trained to advance driving standards, you look at the road differently, position yourself in the road differently, far safer etc etc but not want the Driving Standards Agencty want. In the same way that anyone who has driven professionally has great difficulty in passing the risk awareness thingy that people do now... Too many of us identify risks too quickly for the machines settings so it fails you.
Now the far better thing would be a 5 yearly eyesight test until you are 50 and then 2 yearly... I have seen too many people fail the roadside eyesight test.... heard of one lady who would not believe that there was a car there let alone read the number plate until she was a lot closer than the prescribed distance. The change the penalty for driving without glasses if prescribed to a more serious one. I dealt with one RTA where the driver did not see the horse he ran into the back of as he was not wearing the glasses he needed.
Having been trained to advance driving standards, you look at the road differently, position yourself in the road differently, far safer etc etc but not want the Driving Standards Agencty want. In the same way that anyone who has driven professionally has great difficulty in passing the risk awareness thingy that people do now... Too many of us identify risks too quickly for the machines settings so it fails you.
Now the far better thing would be a 5 yearly eyesight test until you are 50 and then 2 yearly... I have seen too many people fail the roadside eyesight test.... heard of one lady who would not believe that there was a car there let alone read the number plate until she was a lot closer than the prescribed distance. The change the penalty for driving without glasses if prescribed to a more serious one. I dealt with one RTA where the driver did not see the horse he ran into the back of as he was not wearing the glasses he needed.
baguio
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Sorry but you can't draw on other mistakes to justify raising the pension age as a mistake. That's like a ref deliberately making a mistake for the home side side to balance up a previous one he made earlier for the away side. Sorry but that would just be stupid.
Life is a lottery and none of us know how long we have left but the fact remains that on average you will be drawing your OAP into later life. For example, in 1950 the life expectancy from birth was 67.66. In 2020 it was 81.15. 13.49 years extra years drawing a pension has to come from somewhere. To keep the pension age at 65 would have been utter madness but you think that that is a govnt excuse?
"where does the pension money go from those who die young" Well, as you well know, if it wasn't for those unfortunate souls the retirement age would now be even higher but they make up the average life expectancy obviously. But, I will conter tht by asking where the money comes from to pay for those who live longer than average? The money tree doesn't actually exist!For the record, (I have no idea where your last paragraph came from. You appear to have just made that up?) I'm not the one crying about having it harder or not earning enough. I'm a grown man and don't expect others to pay my way in this world at all. I knew 40 years ago, like we all did, that if I wanted a reasonable standard of living when I retired I would have to have another pension. That was obvious. Mine is coming along nicely and my main job pays OK. My second job is culling deer. Not sure I have enough time for a 3rd job though.
timbrayford
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Sorry to go off topic but I don't agree, FACs are a right not a privilege. Hence a legal right of appeal against a refusal to grant or a revocation. It was the porn watching minister Damian Green who slipped the "privilege" bit under the radar. If you remember he'd downloaded 900+ porn images onto the taxpayer's computer, probably in our time as well.Effects of AF/Diabetes/HTN/CHD (leading to stable/unstable) angina or ‘chest pain’/pain management for arthritis/osteoporosis/hip…could go on - all may affect a person’s capabilities to drive a car.
Probably a medical as well to confirm fit to drive is worthwhile and no different to what’s required if you fly an aeroplane where medicals are often annual renewal and par of the course when you get over 50.
There is a self declaration medical which has to be endorsed by your doctor where you confirm conditions such as:
■ Being prescribed medication for any psychiatric illness
■ Bipolar disorder, psychosis or a diagnosis of personality disorder
■ Drug abuse or alcohol misuse or addiction (or conviction for drink/drug driving)
■ Being prescribed medication or treatment for angina or heart failure
■ Cardiac surgical procedures including cardiac device implantation
■ Recurrent fainting or collapse (syncope)
■ Unexplained loss of consciousness
■ Insulin treatment
■ Chronic lung disease with shortness of breath on exertion
■ Any neurological condition requiring medication
■ Seizures or epilepsy
■ Significant functional physical disability likely to impair safe operation of normal flight controls
- source Flyer magazine
Pilot Medicals
Dr Frank Voeten, Aeromedical Examiner, explains the different pilot medical certificates and declarations availableflyer.co.uk
Fatal RTC’s due to many of the above issues are not uncommon. For me, a driving license is like an FAC; a privilege.
timbrayford
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Actually us older folk have paid in for our pensions, unfortunately successive Governments failed to set these sums aside in a dedicated fund and instead wasted it like beer money on whatever grand projects of the day caught their imagination!Sorry but you can't draw on other mistakes to justify raising the pension age as a mistake. That's like a ref deliberately making a mistake for the home side side to balance up a previous one he made earlier for the away side. Sorry but that would just be stupid.
Life is a lottery and none of us know how long we have left but the fact remains that on average you will be drawing your OAP into later life. For example, in 1950 the life expectancy from birth was 67.66. In 2020 it was 81.15. 13.49 years extra years drawing a pension has to come from somewhere. To keep the pension age at 65 would have been utter madness but you think that that is a govnt excuse?
For the record, (I have no idea where your last paragraph came from. You appear to have just made that up?) I'm not the one crying about having it harder or not earning enough. I'm a grown man and don't expect others to pay my way in this world at all. I knew 40 years ago, like we all did, that if I wanted a reasonable standard of living when I retired I would have to have another pension. That was obvious. Mine is coming along nicely and my main job pays OK. My second job is culling deer. Not sure I have enough time for a 3rd job though.
baguio
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No one has said that you haven't paid in for your pensions? That's just silly talk. It's the fact that you're likely to still be alive when your contributions have run out that is the problem when it comes to balancing the books. . Would you be happy to stop getting your pension when you reach 75 years old because that's when your contributions run out or would you prefer to keep receiving it after your contributions have run out?
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a number of people say that over 65's ( I am not that old yet) are too slow in their driving ... maybe its a) they have learnt to leave a bit earlier so that they do not have to stay at the Maximum permitted speed or b) are now not on a strict time limit to be at aplace for a set time so feel no urgency in driving like a t+*t.
Indeed their are few pleasures in getting old, but being able to moan a lot is one and then with time on your hands taking your time to get from A to B to ensure you arrive safely so yes a) and b) given you know your days are numbered so why cut them unexpectedly short
Wow! Thats so impressive. 71 you say? Amazing….
WTF do your alleged racing skills have to do with the thousands of senile old codgers driving dangerously about on our roads? NOTHING
timbrayford
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One things for sure, when today's young people eventually get old they might well regret their short sighted views on pension age and payment, its your own futures that you are forsaking. As for balancing the books perhaps us older folk shouldn't have paid for the education and medical care for children who clearly couldn't support themselves, or perhaps it wouldn't do for all of us to take a narrow minded self-centred approach?No one has said that you haven't paid in for your pensions? That's just silly talk. It's the fact that you're likely to still be alive when your contributions have run out that is the problem when it comes to balancing the books. . Would you be happy to stop getting your pension when you reach 75 years old because that's when your contributions run out or would you prefer to keep receiving it after your contributions have run out?
Bavarianbrit
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Jack is alright?
sikamalc
Administrator
Well I have paid in 47 years into this system. With two jobs, I have paid PAYE and Self employed stamp all these years. So I am taking every bloody penny I have paid into the system. I hope I live long enough to get it back with interest.Sorry but you can't draw on other mistakes to justify raising the pension age as a mistake. That's like a ref deliberately making a mistake for the home side side to balance up a previous one he made earlier for the away side. Sorry but that would just be stupid.
Life is a lottery and none of us know how long we have left but the fact remains that on average you will be drawing your OAP into later life. For example, in 1950 the life expectancy from birth was 67.66. In 2020 it was 81.15. 13.49 years extra years drawing a pension has to come from somewhere. To keep the pension age at 65 would have been utter madness but you think that that is a govnt excuse?
For the record, (I have no idea where your last paragraph came from. You appear to have just made that up?) I'm not the one crying about having it harder or not earning enough. I'm a grown man and don't expect others to pay my way in this world at all. I knew 40 years ago, like we all did, that if I wanted a reasonable standard of living when I retired I would have to have another pension. That was obvious. Mine is coming along nicely and my main job pays OK. My second job is culling deer. Not sure I have enough time for a 3rd job though.
Like I said, if younger people bitch about those now receiving their pension, after paying into it all these years, go and get another job, stop moaning and get on with it. And all these statistics about living longer is also rubbish. Try telling that to some of my friends who never achieved pensionable age.
They're already advertising renew it from 70 every 3 years on the radio already.
The pension thing Is the bloody government's fault .You pay a hell of a lot of tax whilst working. Now they tax your pension.
Hs2 cost 137 billion so far not the 32 costed .
Government's give 12 billion a year to China ,India etc al what for.
They built 7 covid hospitals they haven't used .The list of waste is longer than an andrex toilet roll .
An M.p can retire at 55 on an index linked pension but expect you to crack on to 71 to pay they're way.
We are taken for mugs ,our military veterans are abandoned with our homeless.
But there's a hell of a lot of cash to put illegal immigrants in hotels.
How is that justifiable
The pension thing Is the bloody government's fault .You pay a hell of a lot of tax whilst working. Now they tax your pension.
Hs2 cost 137 billion so far not the 32 costed .
Government's give 12 billion a year to China ,India etc al what for.
They built 7 covid hospitals they haven't used .The list of waste is longer than an andrex toilet roll .
An M.p can retire at 55 on an index linked pension but expect you to crack on to 71 to pay they're way.
We are taken for mugs ,our military veterans are abandoned with our homeless.
But there's a hell of a lot of cash to put illegal immigrants in hotels.
How is that justifiable
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