New law to retake driving test at 65

[AlexD]

I’d like to make driving licenses more like the FAC. I’d have conditions added to your certificate as you get older.
18-60: AOLD
65: must resit test. No caravans or motorhomes.
70: no towing. not allowed on motorway. not allowed to travel for holiday in Cornwall or Scotland.
75: limited to driving during daylight hours only. Limited to engine power up to 75hp.
80: The only travel permitted is travelling to or from garden centres only on Sundays between 09:30 and 16:30.
Need to apply for a variation to travel to chemists/doctors on weekdays.

The post suggests an unbalanced hatred of older people, trying to hide that in an ambiguous satire. Older people have the experience to read straight through it, as a sign of being slightly unhinged, but with a FAC ...

Amazing contrast to cultures outside the narcissism growing in America and Europe: almost all other cultures value and respect their elders. I was certainly taught to.

The problem with an over abundance of me-ism, is that it foments the conditions where society breaks down, typically leading to war when too few appreciate the consequences. Or a society that encourages a boy of 16 to decide chop off his jewels to become a eunuch, another form of Darwinism. It becomes a society full of Karens.

A less dramatic example is this proposed new law, when the insurers are screaming with their rates that older people are the safest drivers, with fewest claims and where there is a claim it is typically a low speed scrape. Yet you propose a person of 70 be banned from a motorway, or from towing, albeit tongue in cheek?

Over 70s are the mainstay of many gliding clubs, where they tow long things behind them, then need good judgement in play at all times as they plan and execute their journey in the air, land without go-arounds, and tune their senses to pick up the thermals triggered from a gnat. In the gliding club I am member of, the only towing accidents have been people in their 20s, misjudging things or driving too fast and aggressively.

If you don't like older people, why not join the NHS and kill them off: Link UK cancer patients are being denied lifesaving chemotherapy. (that was a satirical comment, but alas true)?

 

[User00047]

The post suggests an unbalanced hatred of older people, trying to hide that in an ambiguous satire. Older people have the experience to read straight through it, as a sign of being slightly unhinged, but with a FAC ...

Amazing contrast to cultures outside the narcissism growing in America and Europe: almost all other cultures value and respect their elders. I was certainly taught to.

The problem with an over abundance of me-ism, is that it foments the conditions where society breaks down, typically leading to war when too few appreciate the consequences. Or a society that encourages a boy of 16 to decide chop off his jewels to become a eunuch, another form of Darwinism. It becomes a society full of Karens.

A less dramatic example is this proposed new law, when the insurers are screaming with their rates that older people are the safest drivers, with fewest claims and where there is a claim it is typically a low speed scrape. Yet you propose a person of 70 be banned from a motorway, or from towing, albeit tongue in cheek?

Over 70s are the mainstay of many gliding clubs, where they tow long things behind them, then need good judgement in play at all times as they plan and execute their journey in the air, land without go-arounds, and tune their senses to pick up the thermals triggered from a gnat. In the gliding club I am member of, the only towing accidents have been people in their 20s, misjudging things or driving too fast and aggressively.

If you don't like older people, why not join the NHS and kill them off: Link UK cancer patients are being denied lifesaving chemotherapy. (that was a satirical comment, but alas true)?

Paranoid much?

Where’s your sense of humour FFS?

 

[baguio]

Actually I'm warming to the notion of younger people paying for my pension whilst they vote to get no retirement pensions themselves!

I don't doubt it. Not sure that anyone has voted for the latter. More silly talk!

 

[AlexD]

I don't doubt it. Not sure that anyone has voted for the latter. More silly talk!

It has been killed off. Only 506 juveniles voted for it. There is hope yet. Link:

MSN

www.msn.com

As to young people getting a pension when they retire, that is unlikely. Just have to look at what the population will be like by then, the chance of conflict between now and then, and how fast the cracks in the petrodollar propagate.

 

[timbrayford]

I don't doubt it. Not sure that anyone has voted for the latter. More silly talk!

Not really, its future generations that are busily talking themselves out of being able to contemplate any kind of retirement, unless of course they are wealthy enough to buy a private pension. But even that has its risks, Maxwell did very nicely out private pensions, not his either!

 

[Liveonce]

I don’t think it’s a light bulb moment you get to 65 and then from then on drive like a **** there are plenty doing that of all ages. Also we have a lot of foreign drivers on are roads, will they need to do a test at 65years old? hell they do not apparently even pay any fines like speeding.

 

[FurReal]

I think you should look at insurance, I'm 66 and paying £140 per year for a new qashqai, how much do you think a 25 year old would pay? and who do you think the insurance company thinks is the greater risk?

A very fair point, so why the potential proposal?

 

[bluesako]

i think at 71 if the powers to be can trust me with firearms i think they can trust me with car i passed my test in 69 in all that time ive never caused an accident never had a driving conviction in all that time the way its going know one will be drive soon yep 1969 petrol 5 shillings and 6 pence for a gallon of your finest petrol bs

 

[Jagare]

I left school at 15 and worked for 58 years. I get my UK state pension and about half the Swedish state pension. I also have a small private pension that I paid into.
I hope the young people work hard to pay for my pension and I won't loose any sleep about what age they must retire at or if they will even get a pension. Society doesn't give a flying phuck about the old, never cared before, during or after covid.
My generation were told by the powers that be that National insurance paid for our pensions. If in the past governments have phucked it it's not my worry any more . I may take my 75 year old self out for a drive today and being the rebel that I am may even break the speed limit a couple of times

 

[Bavarianbrit]

I left school at 15 and worked for 58 years. I get my UK state pension and about half the Swedish state pension. I also have a small private pension that I paid into.
I hope the young people work hard to pay for my pension and I won't loose any sleep about what age they must retire at or if they will even get a pension. Society doesn't give a flying phuck about the old, never cared before, during or after covid.
My generation were told by the powers that be that National insurance paid for our pensions. If in the past governments have phucked it it's not my worry any more . I may take my 75 year old self out for a drive today and being the rebel that I am may even break the speed limit a couple of times

Go whack an elk too old mate

 

[Jagare]

Go whack an elk too old mate

Hej Martin, the hunting season will be upon us before we know it. Up on the hunting ground we are starting a small pheasant shoot and going to release more ducks out on the new wetland. Roe buck season, boar days etc. I'll be under keeper for feeding the pheasants during the week. It's a hard life being a pensioner. Not forgetting range days during the summer. I need to polish my shotgun skills and keep my eye in with the rifles.

 

[bluesako]

I left school at 15 and worked for 58 years. I get my UK state pension and about half the Swedish state pension. I also have a small private pension that I paid into.
I hope the young people work hard to pay for my pension and I won't loose any sleep about what age they must retire at or if they will even get a pension. Society doesn't give a flying phuck about the old, never cared before, during or after covid.
My generation were told by the powers that be that National insurance paid for our pensions. If in the past governments have phucked it it's not my worry any more . I may take my 75 year old self out for a drive today and being the rebel that I am may even break the speed limit a couple of times

nice one jagare go on put your foot down give it some wellie bs

 

[darrel]

Well wont affect me then as already past 70 years

 

[tackb]

my father is 81 and in my opinion absolutley should not be on the road he's a menace behind the wheel.

it's always everyone else thats the problem , elderly people tend to drive too slow for the conditions (i am generalising) too slow for the conditions is every bit as dangerous as too fast

i am a reasonable driver , over 60k a year for 20 years and still 25k a year but i do not rush about anymore , speed limit or thereabouts for me now , i would not say i am a good driver i am too impatient with very little tolerance for ditherers.

the solution is a more rigourous medical with a slicker system of reporting to the authorities for the over 70's , physically we all deteriorate with age whether we like it or not and that should be checked but it's a balance and i think 70 would be a good cut off point , you have to choose an age and that seems about right to me ?

 

[User00047]

the solution is a more rigourous medical with a slicker system of reporting to the authorities for the over 70's ,

Last year I was driving behind an elderly man who was going along in a brand new car, in first gear (he must have thought he was driving an automatic) at 25mph in a 40 zone literally bouncing off kerbs and drifting onto the wrong side of the road and eventually took out a bollard at a pedestrian crossing.
I was desperate to stop him but obviously I could do nothing at the time. If I overtook him and physically made him stop I would of course have been quickly arrested by police for “aggressive behaviour/road rage”or whatever and immediately lose my FAC, so that wasn’t an option.
I had to stop my vehicle and call the police to report it. I waited 45 minutes in a queue to speak to a person, who basically told me I shouldn’t have bothered reporting it.
I expected the police to at least visit this person at their home address to discuss it, but apparently nothing is done about these incidents.

 

[bowji john]

Last year I was driving behind an elderly man who was going along in a brand new car, in first gear (he must have thought he was driving an automatic) at 25mph in a 40 zone literally bouncing off kerbs and drifting onto the wrong side of the road and eventually took out a bollard at a pedestrian crossing.
I was desperate to stop him but obviously I could do nothing at the time. If I overtook him and physically made him stop I would of course have been quickly arrested by police for “aggressive behaviour/road rage”or whatever and immediately lose my FAC, so that wasn’t an option.
I had to stop my vehicle and call the police to report it. I waited 45 minutes in a queue to speak to a person, who basically told me I shouldn’t have bothered reporting it.
I expected the police to at least visit this person at their home address to discuss it, but apparently nothing is done about these incidents.

That was me on my way over to your place

 

[Jagare]

my father is 81 and in my opinion absolutley should not be on the road he's a menace behind the wheel.

it's always everyone else thats the problem , elderly people tend to drive too slow for the conditions (i am generalising) too slow for the conditions is every bit as dangerous as too fast

i am a reasonable driver , over 60k a year for 20 years and still 25k a year but i do not rush about anymore , speed limit or thereabouts for me now , i would not say i am a good driver i am too impatient with very little tolerance for ditherers.

the solution is a more rigourous medical with a slicker system of reporting to the authorities for the over 70's , physically we all deteriorate with age whether we like it or not and that should be checked but it's a balance and i think 70 would be a good cut off point , you have to choose an age and that seems about right to me ?

My father surrendered his licence when he was 73 he was no great driver and would never drive if he could walk to his destination. When I worked in the UK i drove more miles in one year than my father did in his whole life. There are without doubt oldies who should not be on the road as well as plenty of people of other ages who should not be allowed to drive. Same goes for the fac. Sånt är livet

 

[Morkai]

Last year I was driving behind an elderly man who was going along in a brand new car, in first gear (he must have thought he was driving an automatic) at 25mph in a 40 zone literally bouncing off kerbs and drifting onto the wrong side of the road and eventually took out a bollard at a pedestrian crossing.
I was desperate to stop him but obviously I could do nothing at the time. If I overtook him and physically made him stop I would of course have been quickly arrested by police for “aggressive behaviour/road rage”or whatever and immediately lose my FAC, so that wasn’t an option.
I had to stop my vehicle and call the police to report it. I waited 45 minutes in a queue to speak to a person, who basically told me I shouldn’t have bothered reporting it.
I expected the police to at least visit this person at their home address to discuss it, but apparently nothing is done about these incidents.

I worked in highways gangs for a long time, we had a site in a one-way, pedestrianised High St, all the site coned off with the van facing the wrong way down the one way street etc.

My mate had just put the breaker on the back of the tranny tipper tailgate, turned to face me and just took a step forward just as a car plowed straight into the back of the tipper.

I was about 1.5m away from the car, my mate was .5m away, he went white as a sheet.

A 93yr old chap had driven the wrong way down a one way street, through our cones and straight into the van that was half on the closed footway.

My mate would have been pinned at the waist and killed.

It was reported, funnily enough, I got a producer from the police as I was the driver. The chap lost his licence, not sure if it was by law or family persuasion.

 

[User00047]

I worked in highways gangs for a long time, we had a site in a one-way, pedestrianised High St, all the site coned off with the van facing the wrong way down the one way street etc.

My mate had just put the breaker on the back of the tranny tipper tailgate, turned to face me and just took a step forward just as a car plowed straight into the back of the tipper.

I was about 1.5m away from the car, my mate was .5m away, he went white as a sheet.

A 93yr old chap had driven the wrong way down a one way street, through our cones and straight into the van that was half on the closed footway.

My mate would have been pinned at the waist and killed.

It was reported, funnily enough, I got a producer from the police as I was the driver. The chap lost his licence, not sure if it was by law or family persuasion.

You were lucky indeed.
I hope the driver was prosecuted.

 

[User00047]

We had this one a few months ago in my local Tesco