Uncle Buck
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Muir that might be the case in the US but most in the UK shoot subsonic ammo + mod and the 10-22 has a shall we say
fussy appetite!!
Rgds, Buck.
PS. would I be correct in saying you'll be use'n High Speed ammo?
ruger 1022T JAMMING PROBLEMS
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Muir that might be the case in the US but most in the UK shoot subsonic ammo + mod and the 10-22 has a shall we say
fussy appetite!!
Rgds, Buck.
PS. would I be correct in saying you'll be use'n High Speed ammo?
Spoony
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http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=udqDe_QfOF0
he doesnt have to many probs
he doesnt have to many probs
hughsurrey
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Never shot HV through my 10/22 and only ever had one jam which was me being clumsy (managed to put a 90 degree bend in a .22LR) but, like others have said, its all down to looking after it. I clean the mags regularly and wash the mechanism and barrel in Zippo fluid, dissolves all the mess and leaves a very light coat of lubricant when it evaporates
One of the major factors in 10-22 feeding and jamming problems is the factory mianspring guide.
The cocking lever rides on this rough machined guide and compresses the mainspring when cocking, both have a tendancy to bind.
Replace both the spring and the guide with a custom polished guide rod and an extra power mainspring.
Ian.
The cocking lever rides on this rough machined guide and compresses the mainspring when cocking, both have a tendancy to bind.
Replace both the spring and the guide with a custom polished guide rod and an extra power mainspring.
Ian.
bewsher500
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the symptoms you describe happen with pretty much any semi auto .22
I grew up on a Browning tube fed semi.
it sometimes wont snap the slider fully shut and sometime the new round catches at a funny angle and doesnt feed properly. The firing pin sometimes soft strikes causing misfires.
every single one of these symptoms can be resolved with a good cleaning regime and finding a make of ammo that suits your rifle.
.22lr in HV or sub is a dirty round. solid lead covered in waxes and dirty burning powder combine to produce less than ideal environment for tight tolerance semi auto mechanisms.
they should make them like Kalashnikovs with sloppy tolerance and lots of play.
now they is an idea! Anyone made an AK47 in .22!?
I grew up on a Browning tube fed semi.
it sometimes wont snap the slider fully shut and sometime the new round catches at a funny angle and doesnt feed properly. The firing pin sometimes soft strikes causing misfires.
every single one of these symptoms can be resolved with a good cleaning regime and finding a make of ammo that suits your rifle.
.22lr in HV or sub is a dirty round. solid lead covered in waxes and dirty burning powder combine to produce less than ideal environment for tight tolerance semi auto mechanisms.
they should make them like Kalashnikovs with sloppy tolerance and lots of play.
now they is an idea! Anyone made an AK47 in .22!?
Orion
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GSG make a .22LR AK47: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_797/products_id/411540424
I'm not sure how true it is to the original but it seems to shoot reasonably:
Getting back to the Ruger 10/22 and Whitebeard's comment about the mainspring guide. That's one of the advantages of these rifles, if you have a specific problem there are numerous sources of aftermarket parts and advice on fixes. Youtube and other websites will also shown you how to tune them up without spending any cash.
Orion is correct, in this case the factory swaged detent at the end of the guide rod can be removed and after taking off the spring, can be polished in a lathe or an electric drill held in a vice.
Re-assembly does not need the rod to be swaged again but doing so will aid assembly, just heat the end of the rod untill bright red and swage the end with a cold chisel.
Ian.
Re-assembly does not need the rod to be swaged again but doing so will aid assembly, just heat the end of the rod untill bright red and swage the end with a cold chisel.
Ian.
Freerange
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Ruger 10/22 rules ;I have not seen a better .22 on the world market mine cycles so consisstently it is positively boring. Got the trigger down to 1.5lbs weaver rail and low mounts. Endless customising can be done to make it your very own.
Years ago we were using them full time in a leather saddle scabbard on a two stroke motorbike covering miles of farmland each night shooting bunnies and hares and the odd deer/pig when the occassion arose and I can tell you they were not chosen for their personalities - they were standard issue - nothing even came close and it is very true today in fact they have got better !!!
Honestly. The best selling 22 autolading rifle in the world and you've never seen one work properly?? Then you haven't seen many.
Switch ammo. Before you do that, clean the gun and lightly oil the receiver rails and bolt return spring. At the same time disassemble the magazine and clean it. If all that fails, buy a new magazine.~Muir.
That is what I would say too, thing is they are so **** easy to fix whatever the problem try www.Ruger.22.com
Years ago we were using them full time in a leather saddle scabbard on a two stroke motorbike covering miles of farmland each night shooting bunnies and hares and the odd deer/pig when the occassion arose and I can tell you they were not chosen for their personalities - they were standard issue - nothing even came close and it is very true today in fact they have got better !!!
Honestly. The best selling 22 autolading rifle in the world and you've never seen one work properly?? Then you haven't seen many.
Switch ammo. Before you do that, clean the gun and lightly oil the receiver rails and bolt return spring. At the same time disassemble the magazine and clean it. If all that fails, buy a new magazine.~Muir.
That is what I would say too, thing is they are so **** easy to fix whatever the problem try www.Ruger.22.com
Hornet
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Yes They are a good tool my mate has one, but the trigger can only be described as revolting, however Rimfire magick in south yorks do absolutely everything to customise them, and build some really quite stunning ones,a whole industry in short built around these little rifles.
Brithunter
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OK it's been long enough
:-The reason whole a "industry" has built up around this 10/22 and the Rem 700 is because the bloody well need it
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Hornet
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Ahh Brit you may very well be correct,but I dont care as my .22lr is a lovely WOOD stocked rifle of Germanic origin with a 14 inch barrel,I personally wouldent buy one but I have to say some of RFM creations do look awesomeOK it's been long enough
The reason whole a "industry" has built up around this 10/22 and the Rem 700 is because the bloody well need it
Brithunter
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RFM ? Have no idea what or whom RFM is...................................... 
Sorry.I had a freind who brought an AMT Small game hunter, a stainless 10/22 clone which was actually better than the Ruger. Several in the club had Rugers and John's AMT just seemed to feed and shoot anything.. Two other club members had the folding stock versions of the AMT and they too were reliable. Sadly that could not be said of all the gaggle of 10/22's in the club. In fact the club got so fed up it sold off it's 10/22 and replaced it with a Voere.
I had a freind who brought an AMT Small game hunter, a stainless 10/22 clone which was actually better than the Ruger. Several in the club had Rugers and John's AMT just seemed to feed and shoot anything.. Two other club members had the folding stock versions of the AMT and they too were reliable. Sadly that could not be said of all the gaggle of 10/22's in the club. In fact the club got so fed up it sold off it's 10/22 and replaced it with a Voere.
Why is it that millions of shooters all over the world, and over almost five decades, don't share that view of the 10/22 Ruger?? If a 10/22 stops operating it is because of the wrong ammo or poor maintenance. They seldom break.
As to the Ruger's aftermarket industry: Why not? I have nearly a dozen different custom barrels for 10/22's in a variety of calibers, configurations, and (in .22) a variety of twist rates. It's fun. Like having a different rifle with every barrel change. (ala Blazer rifle??)
No, sorry. I'm writing off these condemnations of the 10/22 as coming from a narrow point of view and lack of experience with them. No offense, but there are probably few people on this board that have had the amount of experience with 10/22's that I have had. I have been shooting them since I was a teenager and while the accuracy varied a bit, they always worked. The fact that some owners can't read and understand the owner's manual can't be blamed on the rifle.~Muir
(PS: As I have stated in the past, I am not a fan of autoloading .22's for general use, but that doesn't mean I'll bash one on that stance alone.)
j0e_bl0ggs
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10-22 mediocre at best over here, one compatriot of yours said that we may have problems with them here as they may be seconds, I would tend to concur with that theory.
I had a 10-22 and honestly even with all the trick parts it needed it really was a piece of sh1t, got shot of it as it really was not what I expected of a rimfire.
It had alongside its un-reliability, poor accuracy (compared to other rimfires). This is probably the reason people here do not have much experience with them we prefer a rimfire to shoot well out of the box without having to recourse to the price of the rifle again in 'after market' parts.
roedeerred
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I have owned one for years unfortunitly the rabbit population took a nose dive after being hammered for 2 years after i first got it have one of those 25shot plastic mags it shoots a full mag with no problem untill it gets dirty then a spray with Carb clean cures the problem a tin of carb clean really is a good investmant for getting rid of dirt from any action then a really light spray with quality gun lube.Yes it can be a sod with some makes of ammo any with really waxy lube on the lead tips.
Brithunter
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Muir,
I can only relate what I have seen and tried myself. I was tempted by the clubs 10/22 until I shot it a few times and spoke to members who had been in the club longer then a passed on it. The club I am just joining has several 10/22's it loans out and yes they do break down but he keeps spares on hand so generally they are not down for long. It's the same with the Marlin 1949's. Will have to check if some are still awaiting parts or not as he was having trouble getting parts.
I too have wondered if the UK get palmed seconds as I have never seen any of the marlins lever guns give the grouping that I know is possible with them. A chap I used to stalk with brought on the octogon barrelled "Cowboy" marlins in 44 or 45 and he is a good shot with a rilfe yet I never witnessed it shootign any better groups that about 6" at 100 yards. No way was it suitable for deer hunting which of course they are often used for in the US. he has a good scope fitted too. he tried factory as well as cast and jacketed hand loads. I lost contact with Trevor when i moved so don't know how it fared in the last 6 years or even if he still has it.
It's something that has always puzzled me though why these rifles can shoot well across the pond yet seem to fail badly here in the UK.
I can only relate what I have seen and tried myself. I was tempted by the clubs 10/22 until I shot it a few times and spoke to members who had been in the club longer then a passed on it. The club I am just joining has several 10/22's it loans out and yes they do break down but he keeps spares on hand so generally they are not down for long. It's the same with the Marlin 1949's. Will have to check if some are still awaiting parts or not as he was having trouble getting parts.
I too have wondered if the UK get palmed seconds as I have never seen any of the marlins lever guns give the grouping that I know is possible with them. A chap I used to stalk with brought on the octogon barrelled "Cowboy" marlins in 44 or 45 and he is a good shot with a rilfe yet I never witnessed it shootign any better groups that about 6" at 100 yards. No way was it suitable for deer hunting which of course they are often used for in the US. he has a good scope fitted too. he tried factory as well as cast and jacketed hand loads. I lost contact with Trevor when i moved so don't know how it fared in the last 6 years or even if he still has it.
It's something that has always puzzled me though why these rifles can shoot well across the pond yet seem to fail badly here in the UK.
I don't know how they would determine "seconds" but I'll see what I can find out. It doesn't behoove them to pee into any market pond: a sale is a sale.
The 10/22 is not made to shoot subs. As with any auto loader, it was designed to shoot round nose ammo. That stupid barrel band must go for accuracy. You can't even begin to get reasonable accuracy with that archaic bit of trapping. The gun must be clean in the action and you cannot lighten the mainspring. The mainspring serves two functions: obviously, it causes the hammer to strike the firing pin but it also retards the rearward thrust of the bolt. Many ersatz trigger jobs have involved lightening the main spring. This can raise hell with ignition and thus, accuracy. It is why I don't like autoloaders of the hook and hammer design and why I believe that they will never hold a candle to a good bolt gun for strict accuracy shooting. The hammer striking the firing pin is nowhere near as reliable as a firing pin of the direct striker design (bolt guns). Again, the emphasis on cleanliness. Build up of goo on the breechface retards ignition that is already hampered by having a spring driven hammer and firing pin arrangement. Again, accuracy can suffer.
Some 10/22's don't ever need to be pampered however. My ammo testing rifle (Green Mountain 1-18" twist) will digest 1000 rounds without seeing a decrease in accuracy. Ten shot groups will run under 1/2" at 50M with this rifle. A 10/22 deluxe of mine will start degrading accuracy after as little as 500 rounds. Each gun is different.
I have bought 2nd hand 10/22's that were so filthy that the bolt couldn't be retracted, let along function during live shooting. A cleaning was all it usually took to have the rifle functioning as normal.~Muir
The 10/22 is not made to shoot subs. As with any auto loader, it was designed to shoot round nose ammo. That stupid barrel band must go for accuracy. You can't even begin to get reasonable accuracy with that archaic bit of trapping. The gun must be clean in the action and you cannot lighten the mainspring. The mainspring serves two functions: obviously, it causes the hammer to strike the firing pin but it also retards the rearward thrust of the bolt. Many ersatz trigger jobs have involved lightening the main spring. This can raise hell with ignition and thus, accuracy. It is why I don't like autoloaders of the hook and hammer design and why I believe that they will never hold a candle to a good bolt gun for strict accuracy shooting. The hammer striking the firing pin is nowhere near as reliable as a firing pin of the direct striker design (bolt guns). Again, the emphasis on cleanliness. Build up of goo on the breechface retards ignition that is already hampered by having a spring driven hammer and firing pin arrangement. Again, accuracy can suffer.
Some 10/22's don't ever need to be pampered however. My ammo testing rifle (Green Mountain 1-18" twist) will digest 1000 rounds without seeing a decrease in accuracy. Ten shot groups will run under 1/2" at 50M with this rifle. A 10/22 deluxe of mine will start degrading accuracy after as little as 500 rounds. Each gun is different.
I have bought 2nd hand 10/22's that were so filthy that the bolt couldn't be retracted, let along function during live shooting. A cleaning was all it usually took to have the rifle functioning as normal.~Muir
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