timbrayford
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Just like online banking, its only numbers and transactions, from the FLDs perspective they would have all the data that they need in live time rather than historically sometimes considerably after the event.
Metropolitan Police trial new style certificates
- Thread starter Conor O'Gorman
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Bugger. I too, have one of thoseThey do not fit my very expensive leather FAC/SGC holders.
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nun_hunter
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I assume you talking about no internet coverage or electronic systems being down?
That happens now with PNC or NFLMS often not working so the police can't check a certificate and most people don't carry a hard copy with them anyway.
If you're in a shop buying anything then if they're POS system is down then they wont sell you anything, especially if you're not carrying cash.
Having an online system rather than a printed paper copy would be better in 99% or circumstances and for the 1% I'd happily wait and come back another time.
Northants issue the A5 certificates, and have done for some while. They're a PITA TBH. They don't properly fit in the certificate holder I have but they're just that bit too big to fit in a pocket nicely. Any entries have to be made in squinto-vision in order to leave room for more.
Why, oh why can't they just issue all RFD's with a dedicated card reader and make the 'certificate' a plastic credit card type of affair ? All the relevant info could be stored on the card and purchases, sales, and transfers would be instantly added to the polices' own database. This surely would save both the polices' and our time, effort, and paperwork.
The only downside I can see is that non-RFD to non-RFD transfers would require either e-mail or paper notification or mean that both parties had to attend an RFD for 'authentication' and recording of the transfer.
Why, oh why can't they just issue all RFD's with a dedicated card reader and make the 'certificate' a plastic credit card type of affair ? All the relevant info could be stored on the card and purchases, sales, and transfers would be instantly added to the polices' own database. This surely would save both the polices' and our time, effort, and paperwork.
The only downside I can see is that non-RFD to non-RFD transfers would require either e-mail or paper notification or mean that both parties had to attend an RFD for 'authentication' and recording of the transfer.
It's just a database. It's just a question of how to give the public access to amend this database in a secure manner.
Each firearm has it's own identify on the database. Can each firearm owner not be issued a credit card style thing for each firearm. This then gets scanner (qr code), to transfer ownership by also scanning the QR code on the FAC card.
no. its the same. approved garages can submit changes to the cert online. gunshots could do the same. individuals could submit amendments subject to FEO approvals.
you can carry a physical copy if you want or it can be checked online.
An online system would be a hinderence for many HO Clubs as their ammo sales to members is in effect the same as between any two FAC holders. One of my Clubs conducts about 8 ammo sales each Club session. But then there is no reason why HO Clubs couldn't use the same system as an RFD.
fixedwheel
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It's one thing to move to a credit card sized FAC, with an online database of what is held, but a bit like the early days of the photo card driving licence, I would like a physical certificate to show that at renewal time I had X, so if someone makes a mistake somewhere along the line I can prove that I did have authority for whatever I possess.
I'd like to be able to check the database at any point, for accuracy sake.
It should also allow the rapid availability of a slot once both FAC holders have reported the transfer, or FAC holder & RFD have both done it.
I'd like to be able to check the database at any point, for accuracy sake.
It should also allow the rapid availability of a slot once both FAC holders have reported the transfer, or FAC holder & RFD have both done it.
timbrayford
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How do you get on with online banking and money transfers?
jimmy milnes
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How about doing as we have asked for many years and cancel the need for authorisation or variation for the use of a sound mod. the time and money saved would make this seem like a drop in the ocean. I need no licence to have a sound moderator on my car or motorbike and there is no danger to the public from owning one..
Jimmy
Jimmy
Pretty much flawless and the banks have saved a bunch of cash because of going online, by closing all of their branches and centralising.
If firearms licensing can do the same, it'd be great. Maybe then we'd get one set of "statutory" guidance
Ive had an A5 one for 3 years, Interestingly its 2 x A4 folded over , not sue how it saves paper as my last one was 2 x A4
fixedwheel
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Fine. But I also download copies of my statements, so I have a copy that I can produce. I don't have to print them, but I do have them.
Unless you have a way of proving that you had a free slot, what happens when you want to add a rifle, and when the RFD goes to put it on your FAC, and the system says no free slot? Or even worse, you get pulled over coming from a permission, and when the copper checks the rifle in your car isn't on the online system...
Or are you maintaining that the FLDs up and down the country have never made a mistake?
Some people can't fill in the A4 ones properly anyway. After waiting the gestation period of an elephant before I got my nice un-creased certificates back after renewal, I recently acquired 160 rounds of .223 ammo from an auction house. The person from the auction house (the RFD in effect) filled it in on the wrong page. Now it looks as though I've bought 160 .223 firearms! Ho hum.
Bit rubbish if they stick closed conditions and things on your cert, with a view to talk about opening it up next renewal.
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