The .410 – world’s smallest shotgun calibre

Harriman says the .410 is the only shotgun to use a measurement of a fraction decimal measurement.
Wrong, there is also a .22.

Then he says it's not humane enough for game shooting.
Wrong again. That's his opinion and yet another vain attempt at setting a narrative to right the 410 off in preparation for it's demise via the lead ban that basic is backing.

Sorry Connor. I just see Trojan horses.
 
And what about the 9mm garden guns?

Unless my maths ability is totally shot, 9mm is smaller than .410 inch
On a technicality the .410 refers to the bore diameter but I'm not sure about the 9mm flobert. It's bore is less than 9mm if I remember correctly.
That aside yes, it's not a gauge like the other common breech loaders.
Muzzleloaders come in all sorts of gauges and fraction measurements as Harriman calls them.
I have had .58" smoothbores and currently own a .45".
 
Not only do I not agree with Mr Harriman as regards responsible sporting use, he didn’t do so well at finding nice 410’s to illustrate his article.

The key to success with a .410 is moderate range & use smaller than No. 6 shot on suitable sized quarry.

In this instance I think I can do somewhat better than the BASC article illustrations - a adult sized BLE with the man who’s name it bears in the background.




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#7 & #7.5 are my shot choices.
Far from the class above but here goes.

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I think anyone without issues around the use of lead shot can produce fine results with a 410. And if they can't shoot a 410 they are probably going to struggle with a 12g and cripple birds with any choice of shot!
 
Interesting replies, I had a baikal single in 4-10 fully moderated that I moved on as it was ‘useless’ BUT I now realise I was using the wrong loads being subsonics in 5’s
 
bill is talking nonsense

the .410 can be an excellent bit of kit and will kill very well with the right loads and operator (i am biased because i have a weakness for smallbore shotties) one of the biggest issues i see is because they are very light people tend to poke with them rather than swing and it's all to easy to stop the gun when firing , focus on swing and follow through and you will see your scores/kills improve
 
It's far from one of his best articles and his comments on it's use for flying game are nonsense both on the face of it and logically. There are several grounds for his dismissal of the cartridge's suitability, among which is his statement that the stock fit is wrong, which is a sweeping statement that obviously doesn't stand up to examination.


"I think it is morally reprehensible to discharge missiles with lethal force at a sentient being without being confident that you will inflict as near an instantaneous death as possible. If you want sporting targets, take your .410 for a round of clays and don’t put living creatures at risk of suffering when you don’t connect properly."
This argument disqualifies the use of anything but the heaviest firearm possible on all targets. The same objection applies with equal force to the use of 28 bore, 20 bore, etc. etc. It also disqualifies his own use of the thing on stationary quarry. Whether a creature is moving or not makes no difference to the ballistics of the cartridge.

"In similar vein, somebody at The Game Fair this year claimed the .410 was the ultimate sporting shotgun because… it either delivered a “kill” or a “clean miss”. How anyone could say such a thing is beyond me. There is no way of knowing whether the pheasant you have just failed to bring down with your .410 has missed ‘cleanly’, and therefore it is not a risk any of us should be willing to take. "
The same argument applies to all firearms, and indeed all methods of killing any animal. Things can and will go wrong with any system.

The fact is that the pellets from a .410 have the same energy as those from any other gun. In the article, he states that nothing worthwhile is known about the exterior ballistics of the .410, and then dismisses it because of his assumption based on what he himself described as ignorance.
 
Harriman says the .410 is the only shotgun to use a measurement of a fraction decimal measurement.
Wrong, there is also a .22.

Then he says it's not humane enough for game shooting.
Wrong again. That's his opinion and yet another vain attempt at setting a narrative to right the 410 off in preparation for it's demise via the lead ban that basic is backing.

Sorry Connor. I just see Trojan horses.
We have removed the humane reference.
 
I have Webley bolt action great fun, is it made ait any forgings as Bill states NO.

Does it kill effectively YES, but it needs using within its limitations, as do 12 bore, 8 bores etc etc.

On the phone to a friend he had a grey squirrel in his garden and was going to get the 410, mine doesn’t get used for that as the PCP air rifle fills that role.

Unquestionable the worst article of Bill’s I have ever read, usually his material is very good,
 
I'm not so sure.
I notice BASC are currently running a .410 clay shooting competition. I presume that this must be using lead free ammunition as per the transition which BASC has initiated. Perhaps @Conor O'Gorman could confirm that it is?
BASC believes that the use of lead shot for target shooting can continue on registered grounds where risks are controlled and there is already legislation in place to control risks to soils and water as per detailed in our response to last year's consultation on the HSE lead ammunition restriction proposals

There are no restrictions on the type of .410 cartridge used at the shooting ground where the event is taking place. The voluntary transition away from lead shot announced by nine organisations in 2020 is for the use of lead shot for live quarry shooting.
 
BASC believes that the use of lead shot for target shooting can continue on registered grounds where risks are controlled and there is already legislation in place to control risks to soils and water as per detailed in our response to last year's consultation on the HSE lead ammunition restriction proposals

There are no restrictions on the type of .410 cartridge used at the shooting ground where the event is taking place. The voluntary transition away from lead shot announced by nine organisations in 2020 is for the use of lead shot for live quarry shooting.
I see. But if lead-free ammunition is equivalent in performance and available for quarry, then it is logically indefensible to want to use lead ammunition on clay grounds or elsewhere. If you're arguing that there is no valid need to use lead ammunition for game, then there is no valid need to need it for anything else. You can't successfully argue to have it both ways......as you will discover to our cost as the legislative process rumbles on.
 
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