28 gauge sxs shotguns
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Lloyd90
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If you don’t mind me asking, do you recall roughly what you paid for it?
My .410 AYA No4 which is an ejector I got as part of a trade in £4500 bank transfer plus the No4) when I sold my Boss some couple of years back. I think the shop had the AYA listed at £1400? A AYA No4 in 28 bore will be similarly expensive. A No3 which is a non-ejector will be maybe £300 to £400 less at around £700 to £800 I'd think. Other maker's .410" and 28 bore guns such as the excellent Ugartachea will be around the £700 mark if an ejector. The heavy for calibre other Spanish lesser known .410" guns I can't in truth see the point of if they weigh 6lbs 4ozs.
deerstalker.308
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More to the point is what they retail for secondhand now, irrelevant what I paid for it, they go for normally upwards of £1800-2k but you’ll do well to find one truth be told, I don’t doubt t if I was prepared to wait an offer over 2k wouldn’t be out of the question.
Lloyd90
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Do you happen to know the weight of both the AYA no4 410 and 28?
Thank you for the excellent info!
deerstalker.308
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My 28 weighs 5lb 10oz (27 inch barrels) my 12 bore of the same model is 7lb
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My own .410 No4 has had the stock extended so it isn't a useful figure I'd give you. However Holt's does weigh the guns that it sells and both .410" and 28 bore will be in their "Smallbore Guns" listings. There will be inevitably a slight variation gun to gun as some walnut will weigh less or more than other walnut. But a look back on past Holt's using a search engine with suitable word choice should help you. Try "Holt's AYA 28 bore" and "Holt's AYA .410""
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Lloyd90
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Hope this helps?
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It would appear holts is the place to go for price / and even finding one… I will have to check what their fees are on top of hammer price.
deerstalker.308
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be warned those prices will generally be well exceeded I was was eyeing up a non ejector aya 410 at a previous sale, estimate was 3-400, went for 900 if my memory is correct. But you never know! Small bores are always popularYou are a gentleman
It would appear holts is the place to go for price / and even finding one… I will have to check what their fees are on top of hammer price.
deerstalker.308
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28 is much more usable, 410 can be a little soul destroying if you’re not on the mark. I still hanker after a 410 but would only ever use it for play, and maybe squirrels, the 28 is used as a game gun though.
Cranborne
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Not a 28 or a .410, but I bought an AYA No.4 20 bore for £1800 last year. It's a 2009 gun, steel proofed and in very good condition having been hardly used. It does show the premium prices for small bores compared to 12 bore versions. It was originally advertised at £2,800 IIRC.
There's a lot of commonsense in that. Choosing a properly made scaled action 20 bore. Especially with regard to future availability of non-lead cartridges. Back in a previous thread I said that there was so little weight difference in the gun between a 20 bore and a 28 bore that the better choice was between 20 and .410.
I again say that if you then ruled out the .410 for whatever other reasons (and they don't in side by side always eject well 3" length cartridges of some makers) then what was left? The 20 bore. I do not think that the 28 bore offers anything to the user that cannot be done with the old 13/16 ounce load of the 2 1/2" cartridge 20 bore.
Also that in a modern 3" chamber .410 as will be all AYA that a modern 3" .410 cartridge will offer the same as the old 2 1/2" cartridge 28 bore loading. I have always felt that the 2 3/4" chambered side-by-side 28 bore was neither fish nor fowl nor good red herring as the gun is too close in weight to that of a good scaled action 20 bore.
I picked up a barely used number 4 for £600 sold it after picking up a Ugartechea 20 bore brand new with 30" barrels in a closing down sale old stock
They are out there
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Heym SR20
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Grahsm Mckinlay has a few good small bores on his website. He will certainly have more in stock.
As to the weights of guns, it really does depend on the maker and the original customer. And weight is only a very rough guide to how a gun feels. 4 1/2 lbs with weight in the barrels will feel horrible, but a well balanced 6 1/2 lb gun will be sweet handling. I have picked very beautifully built or restored sidelocks that have the handling of a fence post. Even amongst say the AyA no 3s and 4s there is huge difference between one gun and the next - they are pretty much all built by hand so one may well have slightly thinner, hence lighter, barrels than the next, or even thinner towards the front, putting the weight between the hands. It’s why handling a gun is so important. And what works for me may not for you.
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@Edinburgh Rifles also has a very good stock of side by sides, a number of which are in the smaller bores.
As to the weights of guns, it really does depend on the maker and the original customer. And weight is only a very rough guide to how a gun feels. 4 1/2 lbs with weight in the barrels will feel horrible, but a well balanced 6 1/2 lb gun will be sweet handling. I have picked very beautifully built or restored sidelocks that have the handling of a fence post. Even amongst say the AyA no 3s and 4s there is huge difference between one gun and the next - they are pretty much all built by hand so one may well have slightly thinner, hence lighter, barrels than the next, or even thinner towards the front, putting the weight between the hands. It’s why handling a gun is so important. And what works for me may not for you.
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@Edinburgh Rifles also has a very good stock of side by sides, a number of which are in the smaller bores.
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tim@tcs
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I find that weight is immaterial, it’s all about feel. If it feels right it should shoot right.
Those who shoot clays a lot tend to prefer long weighty barrels as that’s what the discipline has developed to tackle long distance targets.
Driven or walked up birds tend to need less gun if you know what I mean.
Those who shoot clays a lot tend to prefer long weighty barrels as that’s what the discipline has developed to tackle long distance targets.
Driven or walked up birds tend to need less gun if you know what I mean.
Heym SR20
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Biggest difference - clays start off fast and slow down and fall. Birds start slow and get faster and higher, and move in all sorts of different directions. A faster handling instinctive shooting side by side is a joy to use on exploding birds like snipe, grouse, teal etc etc.
Closest to clays are the taller driven pheasant type shooting where long barreled heavy guns may be more useful.
Personally I tend to snap shoot. Only way I can connect with that tall bird coming out of a distant wood is to look away and then as it comes over to look up, mount and shoot. I find it easier to shoot between gaps in trees or flighting widgeon when you get a glimpse against the moon / cloud.
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