New Thermal "Dealers".................Caveat Emptor !

[mealiejimmy]

Thank the lord we have british made night vision companies, I would have been sunk otherwise for my NV - i like buying british goods sounds like
I’m a minority and better shut up though

No, no don't shut up, please tell us who those British companies are so we can all buy from them

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Lateral]

My post was genuine, and I hope it helps some people to choose the right supplier for them.

If anyone wants to look a little deeper into a company, these sites will help. They are just three of many sites offering the same free service.

COMPANY CHECK A website giving information based on company name, company number, or directors name. It lists the directors, and any other companies they are directors of.

ENDOLE Company Check Another site giving company information. Sometimes this site is more productive

DOMAIN LOOKUP Information can be quite good, but often limited, there may be better sites.


OR, just go with the well established companies, for peace of mind.

 

[Blackwood Outdoors]

So there has been a splurge of companies arisen lately mainly starting up by selling lower cost thermals purchased through someone from China's company, who also sells stuff through a company in the UK, who is then fronted from a guy who has a facebook group. Most LARGE retailers have been put off retailing Thermtec due to the people involved with a certain company and not wanting to deal with them at all, Thermtec are aware of this.... Hence the reason Thermtec are now currently in the UK looking for a NEW distributor to regain confidence in the brand...

Talking of Senopex products, I tested a new flagship model and was not impressed over the old models and based on dealing over 10 years in the industry decided NOT to stock them, with new products coming into the market with much higher specification components and lower price points. As an example one person involved in a certain company slated Senopex to push Thermtec products, due to me not pushing Senopex anymore they jumped onto this and NOW Senopex is great again they state, morals of an alley cat are my thoughts.... The reality of it is you can buy a Thermtec 660 for £2000-2200 now, at one point a company pitched this as better than the Senopex equivalent, its not...but it's now nearly half the price of them... so the value/performance does not weigh up... Again look at the Tube TS60 price and other new products with huge 2560 displays and 1280 sensors... lower costs, better design for mounts, substantially better specification components and fast UK turnaround..

Our own website was targeted by russion clones, which I got shut down, offering products they do not have and people jumped on the discounted prices , madness !!! Another well known top 3 website has had there content duplicated and that site is now still live with all the images stolen from it... Some websites list Pulsar, HikMicro, Infiray when the distributors will not give them an account, which is VERY weird and screams dodgy...

You will get jealousy and competition across the industry...... It's very evident.... There are real deals with years in the game and then a bunch of people wanting to make a name at the backend of the thermal wave..
I have also noticed a huge influx of retailers with no history, minimal stock and some real cringe advertisements online this last 6 month...

 

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That bruce depends on what you want, if for instance you wanted a NV that just fired up with no IR no Range finder, no scope leveler, no recording no ballistic reticule what’s on the market irrespective where it comes from
I use as you well know use Mk 3 vulpine and ward nv 800s and the latest pard 007 on the pcp they are all I use and none of the extras on the 007 have /will never been used
I got these from vulpine and ward direct
Apart from these 2 basic but work brilliantly low cost units and I have had nothing but good or excellent service from both suppliers
Where can you find irrespective of cost a very good quality nv that just lets you see the best image without all the really non essential add ons a reliable unit and back up
Is there any units that fit the bill on reliability and service back up in all the nv available right now
That’s a genuine ask, there is so much out there, the upgrades seem like every other day, this is pretty frustrating when all you want is a quality product without the frills

 

[mealiejimmy]

The fact is that you are not the type of buyer that the major NV and thermal companies are interested in
They know (from their sales) that people want the "frills and add-ons" so they provide them
You are only using add-ons and certainly most people agree that the Vulpine is the best for that type of NV
However, there are no UK manufacturers of NV or thermal scopes either tube type or "hanging off the back of the gun" type.
I suspect you will be using your Vulpine for a while yet

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Overlay]

Thanks Bruce
I thought all along that is or would be your findings you know more about all the companies, specs and the future / new NV hitting our shores than most
I’ve tried a shed load of NV believe me but either for work or leisure
it comes down to rear add ons, I’ve got a plain jane thermal scope and what I have settled on for me they all work very well
Cheers
Phil

 

[Blackwood Outdoors]

Thanks Bruce
I thought all along that is or would be your findings you know more about all the companies, specs and the future / new NV hitting our shores than most
I’ve tried a shed load of NV believe me but either for work or leisure
it comes down to rear add ons, I’ve got a plain jane thermal scope and what I have settled on for me they all work very well
Cheers
Phil

I'm sure in the near future we will see advancements in rear add ons also !

 

[25 Sharps]

That bruce depends on what you want, if for instance you wanted a NV that just fired up with no IR no Range finder, no scope leveler, no recording no ballistic reticule what’s on the market irrespective where it comes from
I use as you well know use Mk 3 vulpine and ward nv 800s and the latest pard 007 on the pcp they are all I use and none of the extras on the 007 have /will never been used
I got these from vulpine and ward direct
Apart from these 2 basic but work brilliantly low cost units and I have had nothing but good or excellent service from both suppliers
Where can you find irrespective of cost a very good quality nv that just lets you see the best image without all the really non essential add ons a reliable unit and back up
Is there any units that fit the bill on reliability and service back up in all the nv available right now
That’s a genuine ask, there is so much out there, the upgrades seem like every other day, this is pretty frustrating when all you want is a quality product without the frills

What do you consider low cost?

What do the ward and vulpine cost these days?

 

[Pellet Pinger]

we have lowered the prices to help clear thermtec of old stock before we sell the 2.0 range
we decided to lower the price at a loss on some models so more customers could afford a top spec thermal while the country suffers high cost of living
pulsar sales are dire at most stores i visit which is a shame as they have potential to be great again if they follow chinas example of higher base mag
this thread comes across as a bit racist towards the chinese brands

Is that you Royston???

 

[Klenchblaize]

The world is a truly frightening and confused place in 2024!

K

 

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What do you consider low cost?

What do the ward and vulpine cost these days?

What do you consider low cost?

What do the ward and vulpine cost these days?

I think you can pick an add - on most makes up between 500 -800 quid which is reasonable cost for new, i sold my old 007 v’s for £150 each which is a give away cost and a good help for someone starting up on the NV trail its a low cost starting point if you look around, to be honest they do work pretty well

 

[25 Sharps]

I think you can pick an add - on most makes up between 500 -800 quid which is reasonable cost for new, i sold my old 007 v’s for £150 each which is a give away cost and a good help for someone starting up on the NV trail its a low cost starting point if you look around, to be honest they do work pretty well

I can get a new sytong for <£200.00 and Pard for <£350, so though I agree the vulpine and WDV800 are basic units, at £675-895.00 they definitely don't come under the "low cost" category.

I am a massive fan of the WDV700, shot thousands of animals with the aid of one but they are too costly for what they are.

 

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WDV 700 is that the model or make
To be honest never seen one
Have you any info on it and I’ll check it out when I get in
I’m out now foxing using the vulpine it works a treat on a 204 for distance and clarity
Cheers
Phil
Oooops


Just quickly checked do you mean ward 700 if so I've got the 800 s. Lovely piece of kit, it’s on my 22 WMR In the back going for a few rabbits between 8-10 after foxing then back on the 204. After 11 pm
These add ons work well for my calibres I swap them from the air rifle through to the 204 5 different rifles all work

Cheers
Phil

 

[25 Sharps]

WDV 700 is that the model or make
To be honest never seen one
Have you any info on it and I’ll check it out when I get in
I’m out now foxing using the vulpine it works a treat on a 204 for distance and clarity
Cheers
Phil
Oooops


Just quickly checked do you mean ward 700 if so I've got the 800 s. Lovely piece of kit, it’s on my 22 WMR In the back going for a few rabbits between 8-10 after foxing then back on the 204. After 11 pm
These add ons work well for my calibres I swap them from the air rifle through to the 204 5 different rifles all work

Cheers
Phil

Ward-D-Vision = WDV700/800

Think you’re missing the point I’m trying to make, I can buy 3/4 sytongs or 2 pards for the cost of your vulpine or wdv800.

They aren’t low cost units, which is what you said, they are expensive in comparison to most units!

 

[Overlay]

Never looked through any other units including the sytong to be honest, if they work as good as the rest, that is a real bargain everyone around here all use pulsar or the original drone, I know one guy has has a pard 008
I’ll have a look at the sytong any others you use or recommend like you say if they work well and a good price not fussed on addition bits just to see in the dark scope does the rest
Cheers
Phil

 

[Blackwood Outdoors]

I've noticed a certain retailer online now showing stock of numerous brands that they do not supply as being available to purchase, they also show products that are not currently available in the UK as being in stock, even though they are not released yet or available stock wise... Combine this with "multiple" fake profiles online for advertising the wares... Sets alarm bells ringing..