So shooting one well selected doe in the day will reduce the population faster than 10 does at night?
And are you really saying you can't tell the difference between a doe and buck in the thermal or night vision?
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And are you really saying you can't tell the difference between a doe and buck in the thermal or night vision?
David Barker
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Not at Range and i am sure that NS and FLS would have told there contractor to pay attention to the females and paid them more for doing so. I dont see your point with the one doe to 10 at night. This is just being silly and i am sure you w3ill agree that shooting 10 does in day light were they can be perfectly identified as can there kids is better than being indiscriminate and shooting 9 males and one female at night. A play with numbers but you started it.
Whilst I agree that NV allows a higher degree of targetted culling than many seem to assume, when you take account of different ages of the different species, in different vegetation heights, telling the difference between M & F is not that quick and easy.
But, just to be clear, in my area, there wouldn't be a chance in hell of increasing the fallow doe cull without night licences. Night shooting is essential to population management.
Nickb
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We all know this but some people are blind
countrryboy
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Does targeted culling actually still go on nowadays??
Day or night and even on syndicate ground
The pressure on stalkers and contractors to shoot numbers it will be quite rare for them to pass up a safe shot.
And even on syndicates where theyre is not the same pressure for numbers but very few memvers will pass up a safe shot ( unless a bugger of an extraction)
Even with bucks not many will leave a buck to let it develop or leaving a 'stand' buck to protect a crop will be unheard of now.
As chances are the next syndicate member or nieghbouring staljer will shoot it
Wether good or bad the vast majority of stalking is simply a numbers game unless ur lucky enough to have a decent sized chunk of land that holds/grows decent trophies
If people are shooting out of season and out of shooting hours and don’t know it’s illegal maybe we should look at the licensing system. Maybe you should have to do a course where all legal aspects are taught and tested before your issued an FAC? The German Jagdshien springs to mind. It covers way more than deer and all firearms.
I know there will be haters but it would lead to better education and ultimately, safety. It would also mean there is no excuse for not knowing even though not knowing the law is not a legal defense!
It could be taught and tested by more than one provider as long as the content, tests etc are the same with a national standard.
I know with the advance in NV and thermal shooting times are being stretched if not totally ignored!!!!
Just my thoughts!
I know there will be haters but it would lead to better education and ultimately, safety. It would also mean there is no excuse for not knowing even though not knowing the law is not a legal defense!
It could be taught and tested by more than one provider as long as the content, tests etc are the same with a national standard.
I know with the advance in NV and thermal shooting times are being stretched if not totally ignored!!!!
Just my thoughts!
David Barker
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It is important we all stay on the correct side of the law . That said the legislation changes over the past few years would leave even a lawyers head spinning. There are now courses on the use of night vison and thermal imagers and if you are going to shoot at night or use them in the day time it might be an idea to go on a course. We need to also remember the laws on there use do not cover the full UK and scots law is different. This thread was about season changes and i feel we had it correct years ago and sadly have opened up a can of worms and a total war on deer that we are now loosing. Kill Kill Kill attitude does not sit well with me and never has.
If we had it right years ago why did the issue arise in that time.
Also to clarify to shoot out side legal times you have to apply for a night licence.
What happened to self learning/common sense? Some people seem to think we need a course for every thing.
David Barker
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That was my response to some of the posts that suggest a lack of knowledge were night shooting including thermal night vision and lamps are concerned. Regards why were deer numbers increasing that has many reasons but the main one would have been our push to plant trees before putting control measures in place. There was also a real negative push by FE and others to stop people shooting on there ground at first then there was a push to make money from out of town deer stalkers i could go on and on and on. In my area its the lack of management by public departments and local authorities.
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