Shared Ammunition

[castbullets.co.uk]

I can't find your post where you originally said "If only one reloads then they record the gifted reloads on the others’ certificate." I'm not sure if you edited after I replied, but that is correct - but can two people both share the same ammunition?

Can two people pull the trigger at the same time? One person is always in possession of the ammo (in the gun at least) at the time the gun is fired.

Thinking on, I'd be nervous of a shared ammo cabinet with more than half of the combined total holding in it assuming an equal holding capacity. E.g. if you could hold 500 each, I wouldn't want to risk having 501 in the cabinet as that is potentially more troublesome than who reloaded what.

 

[Obi Wan Reloadi]

Can two people pull the trigger at the same time? One person is always in possession of the ammo at the time the gun is fired.

Exactly - so would you think it follows that two people can't legally both own, access and use the same round of ammunition at the same time.

 

[Pedro]

I Have no live rounds or empty cases on my posession Sir !

 

[25 Sharps]

No - it's the same question, really. If you think it is a different one the please do answer it too.

Your original post said both share the reloading equipment. You then said one person reloads and gives the ammunition to the other.

2 different scenarios, 2 different questions, I’ve answered them both.

It would appear you are just looking for an argument. As above, ask your FLO. Although they will likely see it as a waste of their time! A bit like investigating who owns the ammunition in a shared cabinet where both people have lawful authority to possess the ammunition.

 

[Obi Wan Reloadi]

Your original post said both share the reloading equipment. You then said one person reloads and gives the ammunition to the other.

2 different scenarios, 2 different questions, I’ve answered them both.

It would appear you are just looking for an argument. As above, ask your FLO. Although they will likely see it as a waste of their time! A bit like investigating who owns the ammunition in a shared cabinet where both people have lawful authority to possess the ammunition.

Well not really, but you seem to like dragging people off topic to get your power fix - so I'll play.

"Honest answer, you’re overthinking it….." isn't an answer to anything.

and ".. hows anything ever going to be proven? [sic] So the FLD are never going to query it as it would be a waste of everyone’s time. " wasn't answering any question I'd ever asked - because I don't want advice on how to break the law.

 

[25 Sharps]

Well not really, but you seem to like dragging people off topic to get your power fix - so I'll play.

"Honest answer, you’re overthinking it….." isn't an answer to anything.

and ".. hows anything ever going to be proven? [sic] So the FLD are never going to query it as it would be a waste of everyone’s time. " wasn't answering any question I'd ever asked - because I don't want advice on how to break the law.

So, follow mine and others’ advice on the thread and ask your FLO.

You are confusing ownership with possession, your FAC authorises you to be in possession of ammunition. Provided you aren’t in possession of more than you are allowed there will be no issue. Ammunition is only recorded if it is transferred, so if the original owner is still in possession due to sharing storage facilities, where has the transfer taken place?

But ask your FLO and please do update us with what they inform you is their official opinion.

As for being on a power trip and dragging this thread off topic, where exactly have I done so?

As above, you do appear to just be looking for an argument, even if you’re not!

 

[Len the dog]

do you not write your name on each round

Nobody wants a bullet with their name on it.

 

[Bo Diddley]

Nobody wants a bullet with their name on it.

It worked a treat for Donald Trump, lucky for him it only nicked his ear... but it swept him in power...

(I hope dragging Trump's name into this thread will liven it up. Some people worry about nothing)

 

[jon 12]

If your that worried and concerned buy two small ammo safes, with your names on each and of course separate keys.

 

[MAH]

want to know if you can legally share the same ammunition.

3 things come to mind to me:
1. Post #2
2. Email your FLO to get advice
3. Never rely on legal advice from an open forum.

M

 

[kenbro]

3 things come to mind to me:
1. Post #2
2. Email your FLO to get advice
3. Never rely on legal advice from an open forum.

M

Also, if not already a member of a shooting org. Join BASC and ask.
Kb.

 

[Hambone]

Turning on a tumbler = involved in reloading, cleaning a primer pocket = involved with reloading etc. Its unlikely that any FLO is going to be concerned who does what as long as the total is not exceeded.

 

[gixer1]

Well not really, but you seem to like dragging people off topic to get your power fix - so I'll play.

"Honest answer, you’re overthinking it….." isn't an answer to anything.

and ".. hows anything ever going to be proven? [sic] So the FLD are never going to query it as it would be a waste of everyone’s time. " wasn't answering any question I'd ever asked - because I don't want advice on how to break the law.

He’s tried (as have others) to give you advice on several posts, and you keep coming back with nonsense….you will quickly alienate people on here if you ask a question and keep coming back saying everyone else is the problem after a majority have answered you.

If you feel you are correct, why ask the question?

It’s a simple case of writing the rounds onto the other persons ticket if you are that worried about possession being questioned - or ensure both parties know how to reload and look after their own allocation. Or a third option - spend £25 on a second ammunition storage safe and have separate ammunition storage.

Regards,
Gixer

 

[25 Sharps]

If your that worried and concerned buy two small ammo safes, with your names on each and of course separate keys.

This is the obvious answer, if this is a real situation and the OP is genuinely worried about it.

2 separate, locked cabinets with no access to each others’, the non reloader is gifted ammunition by the reloader and records it on their certificate.

There is then no issue with the hypothetical situation of sharing ammunition.

 

[Apthorpe]

I am in this position and would add a couple of points:
1. The ammunition alloawances are individual. I.e. if you both have allowances of 200, then that meams you may have 400 rounds in total accordong to the police.
2. If anyone is disappointed with the backlogs and inefficiency of police firearms departments, they might condiser not wasting their time with pedantic enquiries given that they are not even qualified to give aithoritative answers anyway. There seems to be a large number of people who think it is acceptable to waste police time with unnecessary enquiries about all sorts of.things from whether they can shoot A species with X rifle, can they zero on Y ground, what if they want to shoot in another county, etcetc. The.licensing system exidts for tow reasons - to ensure you're not a danger to society and yourself, and to ensure criminals can't get hold of guns. Anything else is sheer pedantry and creating work which obstructs and undermines the system.

3. If you really want to know the answer, you consult an expert solicitor and pay for it.
4..It is very hard to imagine a circumstance where anybody really cares. In the extreme case, transfer some rounds between yourselves. When I want to go shooting, I do not waste time getting hold of the other holder (resident elsewhere) and engage in an accounting exercise where he transfers 5 rounds of .22 to me, and then after shooting I either replace them in the box (having scrined individual serial numbers on each round to avoid inadvertent unlicensed transfers), nor transfer the tjree remaining rounds back. During covid, I estimate about 6 to 12 such transfers occurred each day. It is absurd and it makes no difference to anyone.
5. If one is strict about this, then the estate rifle clause, RFDs when testing a rifle, instructors and perhaps rifle clubs(although i don't know) all have the same problem, but in some cases the recipient has no FAC to enter the transfer. Given that the activity is legal, it would indicate that pedantic ammo accounting is not intended.

 

[Len the dog]

Also, if not already a member of a shooting org. Join BASC and ask.
Kb.

This.
Where else would you get legal advice on firearms for £95 pa.

 

[Len the dog]

It worked a treat for Donald Trump, lucky for him it only nicked his ear... but it swept him in power...

(I hope dragging Trump's name into this thread will liven it up. Some people worry about nothing)

This picture was the precise moment that Trump won the race.

 

[Essexsussex]

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This picture was the precise moment that Trump won the race.

but did the shooter have his ammo, or his mates and was he therefore breaking the law? Or was it written on his certificate?

 

[moeggesit]

You said that you’re always together.

Think of it as an estate rifle, the rifle and ammunition can be used by a non-FAC holder because there is no transfer.

 

[Dalua]

I Have no live rounds or empty cases on my posession Sir !

What about misfires? Our oath includes those!