A tale of EV woe.

[Smellydog]

True, however, for all we know, they might be suppressing news regarding petrol and Diesel car fires as well - my impression is that I've seen far more Diesel and petrol cars on fire at the roadside over the years than I see reported in the news. Who can you believe?

That's the thing and you said it!
Petrol and diesel vehicles tend to have a fire while running or on the road. Usually the occupants are at hand to stop the vehicle and disembark.
EVs on the other hand can spontaneously combust at any time especially when parked up next to other combustible materials. They can also burn in a completely different manner, often shooting jets of flames in any direction and also they can explode.
They also resist all know fire extinguisher methods that incidentally work quite well with petrol and diesel.

Fire needs three things. Fuel, oxygen and heat.
Remove any one and the fire goes out.
With an EV you can not remove any one of the above! They supply not only their own fuel but heat and an oxidising agent all in one neat package!
From my understanding of black powder the EV is exactly the same.
I wouldn't drive around in my car with a pound of loose black powder in a paper bag whilst my granddaughter attempts to light a candle at the same time! However, that is exactly the same absurd scenario one has with an EV!

 

[Rasputin]

FWIW fire is my 'thing' professionally, the jury is out but there is a lot of concern over the safety of EV vehicles. Whilst i don't want to sound like a doom monger, the concerns appear to be growing, and if i work on the construction of a new build development current UK guidance is for ev charging stations not to be in/under the building.

Make of that what you will.

I have zero concerns about my ev batteries mainly because they are new. Five years from now I suspect they may be a problem but I assume you are talking about superchargers not your wall mounted 7.5kwh ones ? In which case I can see a very valid reason because if there’s 3/4 cars there and one does go up (unlikely though) then odds on will take the others but for private dwellings it’s a non event.

The Audi has blown my master fuse on the house twice with no repercussions I think the fail safes on vehicle and unit work well. Thankfully the electricity board has now put a proper 100a fuse in as opposed to the 60a and no such issues.

As for construction guidance from
The grubberment don’t event get me started EVs are the least of my worries

 

[GlennUK]

I assume you are talking about superchargers not your wall mounted 7.5kwh ones ?

No, this relates to any charging facility.

As for construction guidance from
The grubberment don’t event get me started EVs are the least of my worries

The guidance is industry guidance but you will find it is considered by most professionals in the construction industry.

 

[Smellydog]

The grubberment don’t event get me started EVs are the least of my worries

The "gubberment" couldn't care less when your house burns down, just that you do as you are told and flop into their stupid trap.

 

[markj1]

I find it difficult to believe that changing your car (whatever it runs on) every 2 or 3 years can be a green solution to earths problems. However, it seems somewhat ironic that many business users do and buy/lease a new EV each time.

I have in the past looked at the BE point with regards to carbon/energy used, and ;last time i looked the average mileage driver varied from a few tens thousands of miles, to a hundred thousands miles or so compared with an comparable ICE vehicle.

Electric Vehicles do one thing, and they do it very well: they remove harmful exhaust gases from city centres and other urban areas which is where the majority of the UK population lives and works.

But apart from that... No form of personal mobility involving individuals chugging along inside one-ton metal containers, will ever be environmentally friendly... however powered.

Making more use of public transport in urban areas is the only way forward.

 

[Nimrod1960]

Anybody else get the impression that EV drivers have an air of misplaced smugness about them ?

 

[Rasputin]

The "gubberment" couldn't care less when your house burns down, just that you do as you are told and flop into their stupid trap.

Tbh neither could I so long as me and dogs arnt in it. I could get a nice little off grid place with another hilux .

No, this relates to any charging facility.

The guidance is industry guidance but you will find it is considered by most professionals in the construction industry.

more red tape nonsense within the construction industry who would have thought it. Isn’t that the polar opposite of every new build having an ev charging point ?

Not aware when this “guidance” came to light but we got a spec the other day that didn’t follow this. Just saying.

Anybody else get the impression that EV drivers have an air of misplaced smugness about them ?

Yes it’s called tax avoidance. A small win against the political elite.

 

[Smellydog]

Yes it’s called tax avoidance. A small win against the political elite.

Not for much longer!

 

[Rasputin]

Not for much longer!

At least three years by which time I hope I can escape this cesspool to somewhere normal.

 

[Smellydog]

At least three years by which time I hope I can escape this cesspool to somewhere normal.

Can't argue with that

 

[Smellydog]

Good news!

Tesla Cybertruck sank when launching a jetski after Musk said you could use the truck as a boat

A Tesla Cybertruck sank in Ventura harbor in California when trying to launch a jetski despite Tesla CEO Elon Musk...

electrek.co

 

[GlennUK]

Not aware when this “guidance” came to light but we got a spec the other day that didn’t follow this. Just saying.

If you interested i can dig it out for you, but i get the feeling you think its all 'elf and safety nonsense'.

Good luck if you are involved in projects that need to go through the BSR.

 

[markj1]

Good news!

Tesla Cybertruck sank when launching a jetski after Musk said you could use the truck as a boat

A Tesla Cybertruck sank in Ventura harbor in California when trying to launch a jetski despite Tesla CEO Elon Musk...

electrek.co

Amateurs. We Brits have already done this decades ago:

 

[Foxyboy43]

And of course this which also sank - from view and cost the taxpayer squillions….

 

[Sealgair nam fiadh]

And of course this which also sank - from view and cost the taxpayer squillions….

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Yeah, but it can time travel

 

[Freeforester]

Geoff is unconvinced..

 

[mayflew]

I have an EV and I'm pretty happy with it: in fact, I think I find it more convenient than our petrol car in a lot of ways. There's a lot to be said for waking up every morning with a full "tank" of petrol. We rarely use public chargers; we've taken it on long journeys, even driving it to Switzerland and a few other destinations in Europe,. The charging wasn't really a hassle, though obviously a petrol car would've been more convenient.

They do fit a very specific use case though. A friend asked me about getting an EV without an at-home charger; I strongly recommended against. I think EVs can work well if:

1. You have access to a driveway or some off-street parking where you can install a proper charger.
2. You drive less than ~200 miles/day normally.

I am not overly worried about the fire risk at the moment; it seems to be a rare occurrence, and our car is safe in a lot of other ways. It's in the nature of any device that stores energy (be it a battery or a petrol tank) that said energy can suddenly release in spectacular ways.

We have a petrol car as a cheap runaround as well, but this is mainly used for fishing/stalking when my wife won't let me take the EV (which is always).

 

[Bavarianbrit]

And of course this which also sank - from view and cost the taxpayer squillions….

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All the managers carpeted their houses with the "remnants of" carpet meant for the offices, so I was told by the body drafting contractors who were flying in from England each Monday to Friday.

 

[Foxyboy43]

All the managers carpeted their houses with the "remnants of" carpet meant for the offices, so I was told by the body drafting contractors who were flying in from England each Monday to Friday.

Aye - known at the time as magic carpets…. in pretty much the same vein as after the war when the doorstep of every terraced house in East Belfast was painted battleship grey. Absolutely nothing to do with the proximity of the Harland and Wolff Shipyard of course….
One of my abiding memories as a young man was seeing car transporters stacked with these dull silver sports cars coming through Belfast en route to the docks. Funny thing is after huge govt. grants and going bust, John Z Delorean ran off went back to the US, “got religion” and into drug-running - allegedly and not necessarily in that order.
Funny ol’ world….

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Aye - known at the time as magic carpets…. in pretty much the same vein as after the war when the doorstep of every terraced house in East Belfast was painted battleship grey. Absolutely nothing to do with the proximity of the Harland and Wolff Shipyard of course….
One of my abiding memories as a young man was seeing car transporters stacked with these dull silver sports cars coming through Belfast en route to the docks. Funny thing is after huge govt. grants and going bust, John Z Delorean ran off went back to the US, “got religion” and into drug-running - allegedly and not necessarily in that order.
Funny ol’ world….

Yup.