slug guns anyone?

[Bowland blades]

The Shotgun is not legal to hunt deer with slug as it does not meet the criteria of the deer act . Not saying it wont do the job , just you cant make it legal in the UK . A 45-70 would be far better and is already legal for the purpose . Of course to end suffering you must do what is reasonable under the circumstances , though getting a shotgun for UK deer is not compliant . A few have been granted pistols for deer tracking purposes on call out situations, that also are not compliant to go out out to hunt deer only a mercy shot for those situations like a vet or a regular tracking team member and only certain constabularies will issue those

 

[Jamoy1993]

I got a busted-up Pedreti Single shot shotgun for 10 pounds as a project gun, I cut the choke off down to cyl and the total barrel length is 24.5 inches.

I have designed a custom rail for it but have not goten around to getting it manufactured but this would be used for farting around on the 25 m range. It will involve drilling into the breach block and would need to be re-proofed. It will be a meme machine when I get around to it though.

 

[Karhumies]

The Shotgun is not legal to hunt deer with slug as it does not meet the criteria of the deer act . Not saying it wont do the job , just you cant make it legal in the UK . A 45-70 would be far better and is already legal for the purpose . Of course to end suffering you must do what is reasonable under the circumstances , though getting a shotgun for UK deer is not compliant . A few have been granted pistols for deer tracking purposes on call out situations, that also are not compliant to go out out to hunt deer only a mercy shot for those situations like a vet or a regular tracking team member and only certain constabularies will issue those

That makes sense. Here the law is essentially based on joule/100m for rifles and shotguns are for "small game" a roe deer is considered small game. Slugs being an exeption. alot of guys in my club use them when driving dogs are involved or the background is questionable, i was taught that a slug fired level to the ground wont make it past 300m. But if your laws dont permit it thats the end of that. In my club it gets you weird looks if you bring a 308 to a driven roe hunt.

 

[Bowland blades]

That makes sense. Here the law is essentially based on joule/100m for rifles and shotguns are for "small game" a roe deer is considered small game. Slugs being an exeption. alot of guys in my club use them when driving dogs are involved or the background is questionable, i was taught that a slug fired level to the ground wont make it past 300m. But if your laws dont permit it thats the end of that. In my club it gets you weird looks if you bring a 308 to a driven roe hunt.

On the other hand we are trained not to shoot without a suitable backstop to stop the spent bullet . A questionable backstop could put the shooter in a whole load of trouble

 

[Karhumies]

On the other hand we are trained not to shoot without a suitable backstop to stop the spent bullet . A questionable backstop could put the shooter in a whole load of trouble

yea i do agree. It can be a bit more wild west here. I think you also dont shoot birds out of tree tops with a 6.5x55 or even 300wm. Every once in a while some hiker takes a .30 to the top of the skull but so far that hasnt impacted legislation/culture too mutch it seems

I am originallu from the netherlands so that was quite a shock to me.

edit: something glitched while i was typing, kether was supposed to be netherlands

 

[Bowland blades]

yea i do agree. It can be a bit more wild west here. I think you also dont shoot birds out of tree tops with a 6.5x55 or even 300wm. Every once in a while some hiker takes a .30 to the top of the skull but so far that hasnt impacted legislation/culture too mutch it seems

I am originallu from the kether so that was quite a shock to me.

Yeah , Its common in many nations that kind of things . We are not totally immune to it of course but the frequency is very low

 

[Karhumies]

Yeah , Its common in many nations that kind of things . We are not totally immune to it of course but the frequency is very low

the frequency here is also very low simply because its so mutch empty wilderness, abandoned cabins, unused roads etc. but murphys law occasionally strikes. And out vast wilderness brings its own risk: complasancy (i think i misspelled that)

that tends to carry over even when the hunt moves closer towards civilisation. and every once in a while a bullet zips trough a living room (happened in my Area last year, nobody was hit) or a berry picker ignores the orange clad guys with guns and squats in a bush behind the deer.

Thats why in my club the smart minds have made slugs the norm for this kind of hunting since it limits the range of an unwise shot. That said, i cant say its wise to go mushroom picking in drab clothing in oktober with signs posted at every road listing the time window for the hunt.

 

[Heym SR20]

There is a provision within the deer acts to allow the occupier to use a shotgun to control deer if they are doing damage to crops. You have to use shot larger than .36in in diameter in a 12 bore shotgun, if I recall correctly.

Slugs require an FAC authority to purchase. When I enquired of Police Scotland about slugs they told me that I had no need as I perfectly good rifles to do the job. Indeed they told me they prefer to grant a rifle rather than slugs and a shotgun.

I have no doubt that a shotgun is perfectly capable of taking deer, but with shot the range needs to be short - sub 20 yards. Slugs are effective and perfectly capable of taking deer cleanly out to 75 to 100 yards, but ideally you will have proper sights to allow a good aim.

 

[Karhumies]

There is a provision within the deer acts to allow the occupier to use a shotgun to control deer if they are doing damage to crops. You have to use shot larger than .36in in diameter in a 12 bore shotgun, if I recall correctly.

Slugs require an FAC authority to purchase. When I enquired of Police Scotland about slugs they told me that I had no need as I perfectly good rifles to do the job. Indeed they told me they prefer to grant a rifle rather than slugs and a shotgun.

I have no doubt that a shotgun is perfectly capable of taking deer, but with shot the range needs to be short - sub 20 yards. Slugs are effective and perfectly capable of taking deer cleanly out to 75 to 100 yards, but ideally you will have proper sights to allow a good aim.

something like this setup isnt too uncommon here. another popular one is an O/U with an easyhit red dot on the rail, usually hare is fair game as well so alot of people keep 1 barrel woth shot and one with a slug. I use the drilling nowadays.

 

[Triggermortis]

The Shotgun is not legal to hunt deer with slug as it does not meet the criteria of the deer act . Not saying it wont do the job , just you cant make it legal in the UK . A 45-70 would be far better and is already legal for the purpose . Of course to end suffering you must do what is reasonable under the circumstances , though getting a shotgun for UK deer is not compliant . A few have been granted pistols for deer tracking purposes on call out situations, that also are not compliant to go out out to hunt deer only a mercy shot for those situations like a vet or a regular tracking team member and only certain constabularies will issue those

Not strictly the case, there is no requirement to be a vet ,a professional of any kind or team member to be granted slugs or a pistol in the uk, I have a pistol conditioned with slugs and a S1 shotgun and slugs for dispatch .
As far as hunting goes with slugs in the UK whilst not conditioned for deer the S1 and slugs are also conditioned for boar.
Granted there does seem to be a disparity when it comes to which UK Hforce will grant them and which won’t but that’s the case for any application, I’ve long thought it’s a postcode lottery when it comes to your FEO, one might support your application and another will throw a hissy fit.

 

[Karhumies]

Not strictly the case, there is no requirement to be a vet ,a professional of any kind or team member to be granted slugs or a pistol in the uk, I have a pistol conditioned with slugs and a S1 shotgun and slugs for dispatch .
As far as hunting goes with slugs in the UK whilst not conditioned for deer the S1 and slugs are also conditioned for boar.
Granted there does seem to be a disparity when it comes to which UK Hforce will grant them and which won’t but that’s the case for any application, I’ve long thought it’s a postcode lottery when it comes to your FEO, one might support your application and another will throw a hissy fit.

to some extent thats the same here. Iam an immigrant and my local police permitted me a 30-06, 6.5x55, autoloader 12g drilling, Saiga AK in 308 (sold because too inaccurate) Vepr RPK in 308, a Tigr SVD in 7.62x54r and for a little while i had a 338..... that Hurt my wallet too mutch to shoot. Other guys i hunt with run around with 500 a-square for moose or hunt roe deer with an AR.

i also know someone who lives 3 hours away who was given a permit for a 12g shotgun, then had his shotgun denied in the end because it was a saiga with a box magazine (no law differentiates it), he is currently waiting for the police board to respond to his objection. Its all subjective and officer disgression in the end. fortunately The majority of police here in the rural areas are chill and my local officer is so chill its abnormal (general rule of thumb is that each gun has to have a specific purpose that the others dont fulfill but there is no law saying that)

city police tend to be far less chill.

One crazy idea i have been playing with is a Baikal single shot 500S&W with subsonic handloads and a can for deer. By my calculations that should have the energy but i would have to actually chrono it at 100m to know for sure.

 

[jthyttin]

(general rule of thumb is that each gun has to have a specific purpose that the others dont fulfill but there is no law saying that)

There's no such rule and the law is written very clear.

The firearm (including type, operation, chambering) needs to be suitable for the reason you provide. Especially it DOES NOT need to be "extremely suitable", "necessary", "indispensable" or something like that.

While the existing firearms might have some bearing on whether you'd be granted new one (like having 3pcs 308 bolt actions already, you might need to justify why you need one more), it's also expressly written in the groundworks for legislation and previous "higher court" judgements that number of firearms held is not a justification per se to deny a license for new one.

 

[Smellydog]

There is a provision within the deer acts to allow the occupier to use a shotgun to control deer if they are doing damage to crops. You have to use shot larger than .36in in diameter in a 12 bore shotgun, if I recall correctly.

An occupier can apply for slugs for their shotgun.
If shot is used no smaller than AAA. 5.5mm.
On a shotgun certificate one cannot use shot larger .36 and no cartridge holding less than five pieces.

Our laws are fabricated around protecting them in office from a revolt based on a provision in law that the applicant for a shotgun shall be granted it. They feared a mass arming of the country in preparation of a revolt so tried to control the ammunition.
Typical fear based knee jerk response basically.

 

[Basil H]

I understand that the deerhound ("staghound") hunts carry shotguns to actually kill their deer. Do they use slugs or shot ? And is it regarded as HAD to render it legal ?

 

[Ginc]

On the other hand we are trained not to shoot without a suitable backstop to stop the spent bullet

This rule is next to impossible to follow on more level ground. High seats is one of the solutions. Sadly, that's incompatible with stalking on foot.

 

[Karhumies]

There's no such rule and the law is written very clear.

The firearm (including type, operation, chambering) needs to be suitable for the reason you provide. Especially it DOES NOT need to be "extremely suitable", "necessary", "indispensable" or something like that.

While the existing firearms might have some bearing on whether you'd be granted new one (like having 3pcs 308 bolt actions already, you might need to justify why you need one more), it's also expressly written in the groundworks for legislation and previous "higher court" judgements that number of firearms held is not a justification per se to deny a license for new one.

rule of thumb isnt a law, so that is essentially what i was saying. And various police are alot more liberal or restrictive in their interpretation. For instance police in Jyväskylä have denied guns for looking tactical despite it being a perfectly legal gun for the purpose.

 

[Bowland blades]

This rule is next to impossible to follow on more level ground. High seats is one of the solutions. Sadly, that's incompatible with stalking on foot.

So we don't let us be very clear about that . There are also things like forestry and such that can hide kids / wild campers ( legal to be there or not ) Its up to the shooter to call safe and proceed or otherwise as its them that ends up answering for their mistake.