Media misinformation and narrative.

I think we all know that the BBC is biased....
Yes, indeed.
Anyone who's political tendencies lean to the left believes that the BBC is biased to the right, and anyone who's political tendencies lean to the right believes that the BBC is biased to the left.
Which probably means they've got it about right.
But that's not the point. The reason I challenged you was simply because there was nothing in the opening post in this thread that suggested media bias or control in respect of the subject under discussion.
 
Yes, indeed.
Anyone who's political tendencies lean to the left believes that the BBC is biased to the right, and anyone who's political tendencies lean to the right believes that the BBC is biased to the left.
Which probably means they've got it about right.
But that's not the point. The reason I challenged you was simply because there was nothing in the opening post in this thread that suggested media bias or control in respect of the subject under discussion.
I beg to differ....

"So I thought I’d pull up YouTube and Google to get a video to show that they do - to my surprise the main title after the search goes on about how foxes don’t predate on cats and dogs and no vids of it, but the videos were of lefty type “professors” stating how foxes whiny kill cats!

Absolute nonsense and call cynical but I feel the narrative has been influenced by lefty idiots with a Disney complex….🙄"
 
I beg to differ....

"So I thought I’d pull up YouTube and Google to get a video to show that they do - to my surprise the main title after the search goes on about how foxes don’t predate on cats and dogs and no vids of it, but the videos were of lefty type “professors” stating how foxes whiny kill cats!

Absolute nonsense and call cynical but I feel the narrative has been influenced by lefty idiots with a Disney complex….🙄"
I think your just being obtuse.
There is nothing in the original post that suggests that the news item about controlling foxes on a golf course was biased. Nothing. Zilch.
It may well have been biased. We don't know. There is no link to it, so we (ie, you and I) haven't read it, so cannot form any judgement one way or the other.
The comments etc that spin off from it will undoubtedly be biased, and the algorithm will feed you more of the same.
 
I think your just being obtuse.
There is nothing in the original post that suggests that the news item about controlling foxes on a golf course was biased. Nothing. Zilch.
It may well have been biased. We don't know. There is no link to it, so we (ie, you and I) haven't read it, so cannot form any judgement one way or the other.
The comments etc that spin off from it will undoubtedly be biased, and the algorithm will feed you more of the same.
And I think you're splitting hairs just to argue/critique...and here we are.... 🤷‍♂️
 
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Wow , they'd really freak out if they found out that cats are shot here as well as foxes . Actually , it's probably about a 5 to 1 ratio of cats to foxes . We don't have to control foxes here though , that's what Coyotes and Great Horned Owls are for .

AB
 
Wow , they'd really freak out if they found out that cats are shot here as well as foxes . Actually , it's probably about a 5 to 1 ratio of cats to foxes . We don't have to control foxes here though , that's what Coyotes and Great Horned Owls are for .

AB
Well... It would be interesting to see how far foxes fell down the priority list if our Disney rewilders thought they could introduce an apex predator.
 
I think your just being obtuse.
There is nothing in the original post that suggests that the news item about controlling foxes on a golf course was biased. Nothing. Zilch.
It may well have been biased. We don't know. There is no link to it, so we (ie, you and I) haven't read it, so cannot form any judgement one way or the other.
The comments etc that spin off from it will undoubtedly be biased, and the algorithm will feed you more of the same.

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Always the same
Golf course kept it's head down for a few days but in the end had to apologise and grovel and promise never to do it again

Mrs scroggins in No 47 can go back to leaving out a dish of cat food for the lovely foxes

All is at peace in suburbia
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Just saw this bit

Apparently foxes are protected. Anyone gonna tell the guys on the 'out last night' thred
 
I was reading a news article on foxes on a golf course being controlled and reading the comments with the absolute uproar about it and everyone calling for the golf course to go out of business (which I have no doubt will happen)

I decided to put a comment on stating that although it’s sad foxes need to be controlled that people need to remember that foxes will predate dogs, cats ground nesting birds and anything else they can get their teeth into and foxes won’t do well in populations that are too dense as food availability will be an issue.

I immediately received a comment about how I was talking nonsense and that foxes “DO NOT” predate on cats and dogs.

I personally know of several cats and 2 dogs (one a pup, the other a teacup type yorkie) that were taken by foxes - the pup was taken while the owner watched from the door when the dog was let out for a pee.

So I thought I’d pull up YouTube and Google to get a video to show that they do - to my surprise the main title after the search goes on about how foxes don’t predate on cats and dogs and no vids of it, but the videos were of lefty type “professors” stating how foxes whiny kill cats!

Absolute nonsense and call cynical but I feel the narrative has been influenced by lefty idiots with a Disney complex….🙄
BASC has written to the local MP explaining that BASC members in Enfield manage foxes, that the shooting of foxes is a lawful activity carried out by landowners, occupiers and those authorized by them. That this includes golf clubs. That this is carried out according to best practice, and that the control of foxes is both legal and humane and is not a cruel activity. Also that foxes can cause significant damage to golf courses by digging holes in greens, fairways, and bunkers. And that they also cause nuisance by raiding waste bins and their faeces is a public health concern. Also that fox control is carried out on golf courses to reduce numbers and to target individuals that are causing particular issues. We have suggested a meeting to discuss further.
 
I'm obviously all for controlling all quarry where needed. But shooting foxes on a golf course is a bit of a stretch IMO. Especially when they have cubs. Incredibly desperate foxes probably do take weak cats and dogs. But it's rare. Can the deaths of 1000s of foxes be justified for the sake of 1 moggie near the end of its life?

People wouldn't dare treat deer in the way they do foxes.
 
Incredibly desperate foxes probably do take weak cats and dogs. But it's rare
Maybe not as rare as you'd think? Personally, I don't shoot foxes as they cause me no issues, and we're predominantly arable. If I or my neighbours started losing hens it would be an entirely different kettle of fish though.

Anyway, I'll just leave this here.....

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Maybe not as rare as you'd think? Personally, I don't shoot foxes as they cause me no issues, and we're predominantly arable. If I or my neighbours started losing hens it would be an entirely different kettle of fish though.

Anyway, I'll just leave this here.....

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As you say - not rare at all, the only thing that limits it is opportunity.
 
Maybe not as rare as you'd think? Personally, I don't shoot foxes as they cause me no issues, and we're predominantly arable. If I or my neighbours started losing hens it would be an entirely different kettle of fish though.

Anyway, I'll just leave this here.....

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That shows one incidence of a fox biting the throat of dead cat. It doesn't prove the cat was killed by the fox. And it certainly doesn't prove that it's a big problem or common.

I didn't say it didn't happen. I said it was rare. Which is pretty clear by how little evidence there is out there- and that most cats are vicious bastards and capeable of defending themselves.
 
As you say - not rare at all, the only thing that limits it is opportunity.

I'm surprised you feel opportunity is the limiting factor.

Given the huge numbers of foxes out there, and huge number of cats- Both rural and urban- I would say there was incredibly opportunity and very rare incident.
 
I'm surprised you feel opportunity is the limiting factor.

Given the huge numbers of foxes out there, and huge number of cats- Both rural and urban- I would say there was incredibly opportunity and very rare incident.
I guess “witnessed opportunity”…would be a better description, missing cats are not unusual, many of those will be fox food, opportunity to take a dog is not that common, the ones I know of have been pups being let out for the toilet and the fox has run in and grabbed them.
 
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