Yes mate
Sold: Korthals Griffon. Taking viewings from 7/6. £1300. 1 bitch left. Ready 16/6
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carthorse
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Thanks for your comment Gareth. A lot of issues all at the same time for us and the pups.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is a "prodigy restriction"?
TringSaint
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The breeder of the bitch has covenants in her contract of sale that says only she can allow you to have pups and have them KC registered, and to do this you have to satisfy her that everything is good.
So for the bitch that includes medical checks, but there is also a subjective element to it and no guarantee that the covenant will be lifted - the wording is VERY grey!!
We have one of that breeder’s dogs and did all of the medical checks prior to breeding with our bitch but even then the breeder was very reluctant to lift the covenant (wanted to know who we had lined up as buyers, what they were to be used for, etc) so we ditched the idea and had her spayed (the dog, that is).
These pups will be absolute crackers but and only because of the above, they can’t be KC registered.
If I didn’t have 4 hounds already then I would be seriously interested as KG’s are awesome dogs.
Ah yes, I remember something similar cropping up in a discussion on here before, now I come to think of it.
Sounds absolutely scandalous to me, that a dog or bitch can be sold with restrictions imposed by the breeder on what the new owner can or can't do with it!
Presumably such an animal is dirt cheap to buy as a result of those restrictions?
It happens a lot in the show world.
If I was buying a new dog with reststrictsions. I would walk away.
When I bought my HWV ( no longer with us
) I had to prove it was going to a working home. I then got a big discount in price My present bitch came from Poland. I only had to prove I was not a puppy farmer and was going to work her.
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carthorse
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Do you mean hips and elbows? If so no they aren’t. However both dogs are very fit and healthy lead a very active life with no issues raised by vets at their check ups. The dogs come from top quality lines so I don’t envisage any health issues arising in the parents or pups.
carthorse
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For what purpose? Are you referring to coefficients?
carthorse
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Fine. I’m not a vet. I’m also not a desktop expert.
sika
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Neither am I but I'm a responsible breeder of working gun dogs looking for a pup from health tested parents for the health of the breed to eliminate diseases in the future im not into breeding to make make money!!!!! I only asked the question
carthorse
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I’m not a breeder. My dogs come from a long line of “breeder” bred dogs, who have been tested for everything as far as I can tell from their records, as to where any genetic quirks or bad blood could be introduced is quite beyond me. Your comment on making money is somewhat cynical and completely unwarrented. For years , hundreds of years, dogs have been bred by people who had no access to genetic testing, X-rays or whatever the next fad is that the KC dream up, they were bred on having a good eye and knowing what they wanted from the dogs. I choose dogs on what they look like, what the parents look like what their linage looks like and if from a breeder the breeders reputation. I’m not after making a quick buck, do I need the money do I hell! I have two top quality dogs with great lines, we have pups, it is that simple, will we have more pups, no, why? Because it is plain to see that 21st century paranoia has ruined common sense and the ability of people to make a good judgement call on the facts provided without some hocus pocus.
jimmy milnes
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While I see things from both sides of the fence I do feel any suspected pup parents should be tested for at least hips.
My reason for saying this is that of the many health issues in the labrador as an example.
The labrador became very popular "rightly so as they are a fantastic breed" however this was their downfall as many people got any ole dog covering any ole bitch in order to make cash. This obviously then allows defects to creep in which because of those pups also not getting checked allowed a spiral to the pit bottom unfortunately.
Many breeders don't want this for the breeds they have chosen so add restrictions via the KC.
I for one am certainly not disrespecting what you have bred is not a breed I personally would choose but plenty do.
Best of luck with the sale
Jimmy
An avid HPR lover.
My reason for saying this is that of the many health issues in the labrador as an example.
The labrador became very popular "rightly so as they are a fantastic breed" however this was their downfall as many people got any ole dog covering any ole bitch in order to make cash. This obviously then allows defects to creep in which because of those pups also not getting checked allowed a spiral to the pit bottom unfortunately.
Many breeders don't want this for the breeds they have chosen so add restrictions via the KC.
I for one am certainly not disrespecting what you have bred is not a breed I personally would choose but plenty do.
Best of luck with the sale
Jimmy
An avid HPR lover.
carthorse
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You are correct in your observations of labs, they are well known for their hip issues. To date I have not heard of any KG having hip issues, mine certainly don’t and more do their parents. Probably down to the breeders watching the genes and making sure they don’t get a closely related pairing. I have a very different view on breeders verses general dog owners, breeders breed dogs ultimately for financial return, they would probably argue that they do it because they love the breed etc etc, I would stand by my comment and say it’s for a financial reward, it’s their way of making a living. I would not subject my dogs to a life of breeding pups for me to coin in the cash, their welfare means more to me than making money. This brings me back to the prodigy restrictions again, why are they there? I have three HPR all with PR on their registrations. I got all the dogs to work with, no interest in breeding so would never encroach on their livelihoods, we’ve ended up with pups due to a bitch not showing and a very deft move on the dogs behalf at some point. Would I sell a dog into a breeding pool, absolutely not. I want the dogs to go to good homes, not become sausage machines.
7Miller
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Progeny restrictions are placed on pups by responsible breeders who care about the long term health and quality of the chosen breed.
Most breeders will lift the restrictions once proof of health checks have been done and the dog has passed all of them. Hips and elbows are a minimum normally.along with the annual eye test.
I believe Lindsey was one of the most passionate breeders of KG and always did her best to produce quality working KG from quality lines that have all passed their health checks. Even travelling abroad to get the best bloodlines she could.
People may knock breeders who put restrictions on their pups but they do it normally for the long term good of the breed, simple as that.
I assume you're keeping one yourself though
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