Can you quote me one study that’s directly and definitively concluded that any illness has been caused by eating lead shot game ? And I mean definitively
Lead ammunition restrictions - government announcement
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i thought so
Dunwaters
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There was a case of salmonella traced back to a pheasant. The pheasant had been shot with lead shot.
There was also a case in Scotland where a deer carcass was found to have been contaminated with salmonella and it caused several people to become ill. The deer was also killed by a lead bullet.
If you want more, there are literally hundreds of studies demonstrating that lead consumption causes illness and death in wildlife.
It’s not just about humans…
Conor O'Gorman
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BASC has been opposed to further restrictions throughout the HSE review and various exemptions for rifle ammunition have been successfully argued for, also total exemption for airgun pellets, as detailed in previous threads. Arguments for exemptions for the continued use of lead shot on shooting ranges were not successful. As per the BASC response published today in relation to the government's announcement, there are two things we have stated we will continue to argue for - a 5 year transition period rather than 3 year transition period for the various restriction proposals for lead shot and lead bullets - and reclassification of larger rifle ammunition calibres to include .243.
DaveNeal
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yet the large revenue generators of known poisons such as tobacco and alcohol - strangely untouched. who knows, maybe they have a highly effective group lobbying for them - how would we go about getting a highly effective lobbying group to lobby effectively for us, there appears to be an opportunity there .....
Sinistral
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In summary, only airgun pellets & .22 rimfire are to be permitted for live quarry shooting.
From 2029 all .22 Centefire ammunition in use for Roe in Scotland under the Deer (Scotland) Act, and for small deer in E&W such as Muntjac must be NON-LEAD.
It looks like FAC Conditions will be altered to enforce this, so only 'Target-shooters at HOACs' will be permitted lead-based ammunition/projectiles like Sierra Match HPBT or FMJ. Import restrictions on non-toxic cartridges, and centrefire ammunition are bound to follow I would think.
31. The Agency laid out, as evidenced by a European Chemicals Agency (ECHA) review of multiple studies, that the suitability of non-lead centre fire bullets 0.22 calibre and larger for live quarry shooting is well established.
32. For rimfire bullets, generally used for 0.22 calibre and smaller, there are no noise-free (i.e. subsonic), non-lead alternatives which are currently technically viable for live quarry shooting (as small non-lead bullets might impose animal suffering, as they do not provide a clean kill).
33. In England and Wales, non-lead alternatives are available in the (6.17mm) 0.243 calibre which can be legally used to kill deer. A recent change has been made to The Deer (Firearms etc.) (Scotland) Order 1985 regarding the weight requirement on bullets used to kill deer. As a result, ballistically acceptable, non-lead 0.243 bullets are now available which are also legal for deer killing in Scotland.
Lovely but salmonella and lead aren’t really linked are they ? I mean someone gettting salmonella poisoning from a chicken from the supermarket or takeaway kinda proves that doesn’t it ….
No
And that is the ‘slight of hand’ that Gov hope you all miss
Even if there is; there are other methods of control other than an outright ban
This smells of a political decision desperately looking for scientific justification
J
Which very worryingly a portion of the so called shooting “ community “ fully supports
timbrayford
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BASC former CEO and Honorary Life Member John Swift, together with Wild Justice, have been in the forefront of campaigning against the use of lead shot by the shooting community, they must be well pleased by their success.
In reality the alternatives just aren't available!
In reality the alternatives just aren't available!
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In summary, only airgun pellets & .22 rimfire are to be permitted for live quarry shooting.
From 2029 all .22 Centefire ammunition in use for Roe in Scotland under the Deer (Scotland) Act, and for small deer in E&W such as Muntjac must be NON-LEAD.
It looks like FAC Conditions will be altered to enforce this, so only 'Target-shooters at HOACs' will be permitted lead-based ammunition/projectiles like Sierra Match HPBT or FMJ. Import restrictions on non-toxic cartridges, and centrefire ammunition are bound to follow I would think.
31. The Agency laid out, as evidenced by a European Chemicals Agency (ECHA) review of multiple studies, that the suitability of non-lead centre fire bullets 0.22 calibre and larger for live quarry shooting is well established.
32. For rimfire bullets, generally used for 0.22 calibre and smaller, there are no noise-free (i.e. subsonic), non-lead alternatives which are currently technically viable for live quarry shooting (as small non-lead bullets might impose animal suffering, as they do not provide a clean kill).
33. In England and Wales, non-lead alternatives are available in the (6.17mm) 0.243 calibre which can be legally used to kill deer. A recent change has been made to The Deer (Firearms etc.) (Scotland) Order 1985 regarding the weight requirement on bullets used to kill deer. As a result, ballistically acceptable, non-lead 0.243 bullets are now available which are also legal for deer killing in Scotland.
What about fox, rabbit etc, lead ammunition in .17, .22 will still be ok will?
223 can be used for muntjac in england, so that can be lead as i read it.
The more you read this the less one begins to understand it
That is a very good point!
Pellet Pinger
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Champagne breakfast at BASC HQ this morning no doubt.
High fives all round.
High fives all round.
Just load an ounce of BB.
Heym SR20
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Where do you get the figure of 85% from. Lead in household plumbing has not been used for decades. Appreciate many older houses may have lead piping in places, but any plumbing work in recent decades will have been with other materials. If you are letting to tenants or having a survey done prior to sale it is one of those questions that is asked.If lead is that bad then 85% of houses in the uk are still
on lead water pipes where children infants are drinking from so that would be the highest risk, you really can’t see by you comments what you are actually supporting do you
Besides most people when they turn on the tap “run out the lead” or at least run the tap till you get cold fresh water coming through.
Mains water is pretty neutral so if is exposed lead in the system it will dissolve very slowly and not in the time water runs through the pipe. And in many parts of the UK with hard water, it will calcify and line the pipes minimising exposure to lead.
But yes lead in waterpipes is or was a health concern, that's why it was banned from use. In many older properties or in old houses not on mains water there will often be a filtration system in place to remove lead and other contaminants to provide potable water.
.243 is 6mm, so smaller than the 6.17mm threshold, but included in the ban? It's a load of 4rse
Im still waiting
Practice in France, like our pistol shots had to after the ban.
As a medical microbiologist having isolated and identified countless salmonella bacteria from both blood and faeces I’m interested in the link you have drawn between lead shot/bullet demise in pheasant/deer and salmonella food poisoning ,could you clarify
It’s no wonder we have shooters convinced by the case for the abolition of lead ammunition if this is the level of understanding propping up their beliefs.
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