GWCT lead ban : One for the BASC bashers
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No, I don't do a lot of game shooting. I did at one time do a reasonable amount, but on the whole I didn't like the type of people involved, so it wasn't a very pleasant way to spend a day.
I have no reason to "hang around" shoot huts these days.
If I wanted to shoot game birds nowadays I could do so on the land that I own and on adjacent land over which I own the sporting rights. No need to involve anyone else if I don't want to, or go anywhere else. Prefer shooting solitary, which is one of the appeals of stalking.
Been shooting for more than 40 years, if you count the airguns of childhood. Just over 35 years since I had my first SGC.
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Conor O'Gorman
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Do you think the use of lead shot over wetlands causes harm to birds?
it’s a shame this never appeared in the u.k., it was not cheap but apparently was safe to be used with fibre wads.
countrryboy
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countrryboy
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How is that even relevant to the current situation??
That boat rightly sailed 20yrs ago, not that it was ever illegal to shoot lead over wetlands in eng ( as i understand it, not that i ever shoot in eng)
You only have to take a walk around the game fair, and listen to some of the conversations going on, to realise that there's a lot of shooting folk who clearly don't live in the real world. It's like they've thrown a bubble around themselves, and anything outside that bubble must be wrong.
Best thing that could happen to shooting would be to burst that bubble, and for shooters to climb down out of it and be part of the crowd.
We know that the likes of Pakham et al aren't really that fussed about shooting. They're just fighting what they see as some kind of class war, and unfortunately a lot of shooters seem to want to pile as much fuel on that fire as they can, and then get all indignant about the heat.
Read enough threads on here and it will become pretty clear to you that, if viewed from the other side of the fence, we shooters (including you dear) are super self righteous, and all vegans are infidels!
I'm having a touch of difficulty with the idea of taking advice on living in bubbles and being out of touch with the real world from a landowner living in North Wales who thinks that others ought to climb down from their ivory towers and join the crowd. You don't get much more insular than that. Is it just me?
I was waiting for someone to say that
Yes, I've chosen a fairly insular lifestyle.
But we're talking specifically about shooting sports, and how shooters, in particular, engage with, and are percieved by, the wider community, and in that respect, and despite my insular lifestyle, I don't think I, personally, can be accused of having either a bubble or an ivory tower.
(In other respects, almost certainly. But not relevant here).
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Conor O’Gorman had personal knowledge of two” prized pintail” that succumbed to lead shot poisoning due to a shot at a corvid flying over their pond. Had you two similar duck you could have saved yourself the bother of sieving and have them hoover up the pellets for you.
I'm fairly happy that there is evidence that dabbling ducks can be harmed by inadvertently picking up lead shot as they feed. I don't believe the claims about the scale of this problem. I also don't believe that duck are going about picking up harmful doses of lead shot from ponds or fields on inland shoots.
I believe or don't believe these things based on a combination of papers I've read (the first - about coastal Wetlands - a very long time ago), on one hand, and what I see as reasonable assumptions,on the other.
All I'm asking for is evidence of proper systematic investigation that looks at the claims of harm, assesses their plausibility and severity, and proposes proportionate measures to mitigate them.
To give you another analogy for why the lead thing is nuts, let's take, erm, actual nuts.
Each year, many people die and are hospitalised due to eating nuts. Each case is an individual trauma or tragedy. Yet do we ban nuts? Do we decree that it must be crisps and twiglets only from now on? Do we make the sale and possession of brasils and cashews illegal? Of course not. Yet adverse reactions to nuts are a proven and statistically measurable harm that frequently impacts humans.
This is why I say, "where are the bodies?" As things stand, we are being pressured to make huge, hugely expensive, and inevitably irreversible changes on what barely amounts to hearsay... and being treated as delusional for even asking for the evidence that supposedly requires this transformation.
countrryboy
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And heres me playing right into the exact same class warfare thing.
U are right and at times basc and Ca dont help themselves.
When they actually get some air time on tv they roll up some upper class twit with pink/red jeans/cords on.
It just doesnae gelp our cause at times, shouldnae matter if working class or not but it does.
Where do they even get those trousers???
Theyre must be a special seceret shop someone u have to do a dance or handshake they teach u at private school or when u buy ur 1st estate, to get into the red trouser dept!!
I do think the sga/ngo benefit as most of their spokesmen are working keepers
enfieldspares
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From the deceased effects property store of the Midsomer Constabulary as many murdered there seem to have been wearing such shortly before their end.
Indeed.
That sounds a rather tall tale.
Had you two similar duck you could have saved yourself the bother of sieving and have them hoover up the pellets for you.
I know you had your wings clipped on PW, but as you are just here for BASC bashing and slagging Conor ( not KonorConor O’Gorman had personal knowledge of two” prized pintail” that succumbed to lead shot poisoning due to a shot at a corvid flying over their pond. Had you two similar duck you could have saved yourself the bother of sieving and have them hoover up the pellets for you.
) why don’t you pay a few quid and support the site 
I don’t know where you get your information from but I’m still enjoying posting on pigeon Watch last was group sizes on an hw35E I bought from a member on the forum. Haven’t seen Conor posting recently regarding his lead ingestion figures I guess the negative feedback curtailed that line of posting. Anyway rather than simply slagging Conor I think you’ll find my posts are a reasonable criticism of questionable behaviour and unsubstantiated claims using incomplete data.. I noticed you ran off after your last irrelevant comments rather than comment on the issue I raised on the other thread You seem to be limited in your ability to contribute a reasoned argument but big on pointless rhetoric. Never mind you’ll mature in time hopefully. Might put you on ignore as you are so boring but your idiotic remarks are entertaining so maybe not atbI know you had your wings clipped on PW, but as you are just here for BASC bashing and slagging Conor ( not Konor
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