Harry’s Farm. Much more profitable to grow - nothing

[JockStalk]

Twenty years ago they made cheap, cr4p copies of western tech.

Not anymore. Was in their ‘silicon Glen’ last week, Shenzhen. Very impressive, game over for many of our industries.

Don’t get me wrong, they are one of our enemies. But we need to recognise that what is good for us may sometimes also benefit them.

 

[Freeforester]

Twenty years ago they made cheap, cr4p copies of western tech.

Not anymore. Was in their ‘silicon Glen’ last week, Shenzhen. Very impressive, game over for many of our industries.

Don’t get me wrong, they are one of our enemies. But we need to recognise that what is good for us may sometimes also benefit them.

Surely more of an economic competitor/provider than an enemy, Jim?

I think it was either around 1500 or 1500 years since they invaded another country that they did not consider their own by rights. What could they gain by invading here? We’ve already established there’s little of value here!

 

[Apthorpe]

Twenty years ago they made cheap, cr4p copies of western tech.

Not anymore. Was in their ‘silicon Glen’ last week, Shenzhen. Very impressive, game over for many of our industries.

Don’t get me wrong, they are one of our enemies. But we need to recognise that what is good for us may sometimes also benefit them.

Trade is beneficial to both sides in a transaction. The infantile zero-sum fallacy held by the left is harmful. However, a market does need to operate within rules and there are severe risks that trade with China is financing impendim war and an era of global repression. We need to open our eyes to that.

 

[JockStalk]

Surely more of an economic competitor/provider than an enemy, Jim?

I think it was either around 1500 or 1500 years since they invaded another country that they did not consider their own by rights. What could they gain by invading here? We’ve already established there’s little of value here!

For sure Steve - they’d not waste their breath invading Jockistan or the Peoples Republic of Greater Islington
But I do think they are indeed our enemy, in the slow burn, Cold War sense. China are masters of the long game. The investment in belt and roads, the securing of options and controls of strategic minerals and assets, the development of knowledge based economic capability, soft power through educating their brightest in the west and through Confucius Institute.
That war, I think, is largely lost by the west at this point.
Doesn’t mean it’s unrecoverable ground, but a hard path to forge these days.

 

[Apthorpe]

Surely more of an economic competitor/provider than an enemy, Jim?

I think it was either around 1500 or 1500 years since they invaded another country that they did not consider their own by rights.

The problem is what territory China considers to be its own by rights - Taiwan, India, Burma, Pakistan, Vietnam, Philippines, Tibet, Brunei, Malaysia within living memory - most currently.

What could they gain by invading here? We’ve already established there’s little of value here!

It's not a case of invasion - it's a case of control. Chinese government is already attacking people in the UK, and assaulting British journalists and nationals overseas.

 

[Heym SR20]

The farm I shoot over is farmed very intensively. Large acreage. Two crops, winter wheat and break crop of winter rape. No stubble, no strips or other cover, just the 2 meter hedgerow margin, which is mowed down to a couple of inches every September.

If there was more money in stubble why isn’t the farmer doing just that? (I really wish he would!) The ground is well draining enough to do spring crops.

Probably very much a function of business model and cost base. There is a world of difference between revenue per ha from a crop of wheat - £1500 to £2000 per ha, even if the profit is minimal, whereas area payments for doing nowt are much less.

If you have a high cost base you need as much cash as possible to cover costs including loans etc etc.

If you have a low cost base, and/ or all your costs are variable then a fixed payment for doing nowt looks very attractive.

 

[mudman]

Probably very much a function of business model and cost base. There is a world of difference between revenue per ha from a crop of wheat - £1500 to £2000 per ha, even if the profit is minimal, whereas area payments for doing nowt are much less.

If you have a high cost base you need as much cash as possible to cover costs including loans etc etc.

If you have a low cost base, and/ or all your costs are variable then a fixed payment for doing nowt looks very attractive.

That would ring true. Rumour has it he is paying top dollar in rent.

 

[AlexD]

The difference in economics between farming in the UK, and that overseas, is astounding.

My wife manages half a dozen palm oil plantations in Nigeria, plus one small plantain farm and one coconut farm: we are farming a medical plant that likes to grow with palms. The income from the palm oil / plantain etc, is incidental, but not to be sniffed at. An 80 acre palm oil plantation produces about 1.5 tons of oil a day (split into two types), all year round. Selling at £3 per litre, you can do the sums: about £20k an acre of income from the oil alone, and costs of fertiliser, weeding, machinery, milling, shipping £4k. This is incidental income on top of the medical plant income.

There are around 5 species of oil palm. Figures above are for Malaysian Supergene, which is the favourite everywhere right now because it is the most productive, easiest to crop and costs no more in fertiliser than the others. It takes about 4 years between planting and getting a crop, but then one gets a crop every day for 30 years.

Compare that with farming rape seed oil, barley or wheat here. The conclusion is farmers in Europe are selling everything too cheap. The supermarkets are killing our farmers.

Most British farmers would do well to sell up and buy farms overseas, where the indigenous population do not know how to run a farm, have no access to capital for equipment to farm efficiently, and the IQ of those remaining plummets as bright ones make the dumb move of coming to Europe.

One can see why countries such as Malaysia and Indonesia are ripping out their jungles and growing palm oil.

Huge numbers of migrants are coming here, when the opportunities are actually back in their homeland, because their populations are exploding, while all their educated people abandon their jobs as professors or doctors and come here to drive taxis or work in care homes. Instead of looking at things around us falling into a sorry state, look at the opportunities those changes bring. Just do not fall ill when visiting them, because all the doctors they need have gone.

 

[AlexD]

The difference in economics between farming in the UK, and that overseas, is astounding.

My wife manages half a dozen palm oil plantations in Nigeria, plus one small plantain farm and one coconut farm: we are farming a medical plant that likes to grow with palms. The income from the palm oil / plantain etc, is incidental, but not to be sniffed at. An 80 acre palm oil plantation produces about 1.5 tons of oil a day (split into two types), all year round. Selling at £3 per litre, you can do the sums: about £20k an acre of income from the oil alone, and costs of fertiliser, weeding, machinery, milling, shipping £4k. This is incidental income on top of the medical plant income.

There are around 5 species of oil palm. Figures above are for Malaysian Supergene, which is the favourite everywhere right now because it is the most productive, easiest to crop and costs no more in fertiliser than the others. It takes about 4 years between planting and getting a crop, but then one gets a crop every day for 30 years.

Compare that with farming rape seed oil, barley or wheat here. The conclusion is farmers in Europe are selling everything too cheap. The supermarkets are killing our farmers.

Most British farmers would do well to sell up and buy farms overseas, where the indigenous population do not know how to run a farm, have no access to capital for equipment to farm efficiently, and the IQ of those remaining plummets as bright ones make the dumb move of coming to Europe.

One can see why countries such as Malaysia and Indonesia are ripping out their jungles and growing palm oil.

Huge numbers of migrants are coming here, when the opportunities are actually back in their homeland, because their populations are exploding, while all their educated people abandon their jobs as professors or doctors and come here to drive taxis or work in care homes. Instead of looking at things around us falling into a sorry state, look at the opportunities those changes bring. Just do not fall ill when visiting them, because all the doctors they need have gone.

I meant to say, the average IQ. Of course, individual IQs don't change.
Similar to what happened in Russia under Stalin, where if a bright child was identified in school, his whole family would be invited to move to St Petersburg or Moscow. Result is the average IQ in St Petersburg today is around 104.7, and was reported to be as high as 115 in some areas of the city, Moscow is 106, while those in some of the remote regions have an average below 90.

As evidence this is not just hearsay, there have been many studies of this effect, e.g. Map of Russian IQ - Anatoly Karlin and Largest Survey of Russian IQ Yet - Anatoly Karlin or https://unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/sugonyev-2018-russian-iq.pdf

The "Do gooders"/politicians with fingers in the pie who invite mass migration to the UK, are doing the same to Africa and the Near East, and worse still, rip out the educated people that are needed to provide basic health services, or the industry that would make those countries a powerhouse in the future, condemning those regions to a century of grinding poverty.

While us peasants don't seem to be able to stop the migration industry, we can realise the opportunities their departure from their homeland creates, especially if you are a farmer.

 

[Essexsussex]

Yes, but we don’t really. All we do is drive the food production to more vulnerable parts of the world - eg Brazilian rain forest and add in all the costs (including environmental) of transport etc. whereas growing food locally has minimal impacts.

I often hear this but I can’t recall buying beef (tbf I don’t buy a lot) that has come from anywhere but uk or Ireland, or lamb from uk or NZ, or pork from uk or EU. Feed may come from Brazil, but I doubt it.
I am sure other countries do import from South America but I’ve not seen beef in mainstream shops in meaningful amounts from there although I know you can buy South American steaks if you hunt them out.

 

[kenbro]

The difference in economics between farming in the UK, and that overseas, is astounding.

My wife manages half a dozen palm oil plantations in Nigeria, plus one small plantain farm and one coconut farm: we are farming a medical plant that likes to grow with palms. The income from the palm oil / plantain etc, is incidental, but not to be sniffed at. An 80 acre palm oil plantation produces about 1.5 tons of oil a day (split into two types), all year round. Selling at £3 per litre, you can do the sums: about £20k an acre of income from the oil alone, and costs of fertiliser, weeding, machinery, milling, shipping £4k. This is incidental income on top of the medical plant income.

There are around 5 species of oil palm. Figures above are for Malaysian Supergene, which is the favourite everywhere right now because it is the most productive, easiest to crop and costs no more in fertiliser than the others. It takes about 4 years between planting and getting a crop, but then one gets a crop every day for 30 years.

Compare that with farming rape seed oil, barley or wheat here. The conclusion is farmers in Europe are selling everything too cheap. The supermarkets are killing our farmers.

Most British farmers would do well to sell up and buy farms overseas, where the indigenous population do not know how to run a farm, have no access to capital for equipment to farm efficiently, and the IQ of those remaining plummets as bright ones make the dumb move of coming to Europe.

One can see why countries such as Malaysia and Indonesia are ripping out their jungles and growing palm oil.

Huge numbers of migrants are coming here, when the opportunities are actually back in their homeland, because their populations are exploding, while all their educated people abandon their jobs as professors or doctors and come here to drive taxis or work in care homes. Instead of looking at things around us falling into a sorry state, look at the opportunities those changes bring. Just do not fall ill when visiting them, because all the doctors they need have gone.

Alex’s;
Might I ask why your wife doesn’t own farms instead of being a manager?
Thanks, Ken.

 

[cjm1066]

Meat production is a natural product of grassland management and rewinding projects.

One day the vegans will wake up to this

 

[Flash G 74]

Moving off topic slightly so feel free to shut me up.

I have feeling many simply do not understand how utterly reliant we are on China. Yes, this primarily relates to the import of goods/materials but that is the structure on which or economy is predicated.

K

Hello, That is what i think China aim to dominate the World with their products, Most of what they grow goes to feed the population of nearly 1.5 Billion citizens

 

[AlexD]

Alex’s;
Might I ask why your wife doesn’t own farms instead of being a manager?
Thanks, Ken.

British politeness. We own them. They are our pension, employing 11 men doing the day to day jobs, at wages well above average level as we believe in wages that enable a man's family to live comfortably, instead of the deeply exploitative rates that are the norm in that country.
Satellite farming technology, CCTV with solar+4G cards, back up the weekly reports.

As a pension, it says a lot when people like us think is safer for the pension to be in businesses in Nigeria instead of having a pension pot here in the UK to be raided by Rachel from Customer Services, whenever she wants. It also says a lot that one can cover a good pension with farms abroad, whereas here in the UK owning a farm can be a fast route to years of virtual indentured labour, followed by bankruptcy, unless one tracks closely the changing winds created by the loons in charge here.

The only real impediment is the British Embassy there, which hates the fact that investment involves something other than doling out billions in their self serving foreign aid programs, that aids nobody but the people who run those programs. They have been nothing but obstructive. The last tentacles of the British Government's hatred of its indigenous population that is so apparent in everything they do in the UK. There are other many other countries one can run palm farms in, far more easily, but unfortunately for us, the medicinal plant that is our main focus, only grows in West Africa.