GWCT lead ban : One for the BASC bashers

[Ruger#1]

I find this response quite incredible to be honest

Agreed and totally unacceptable yet that is the level of representation that is being considered appropriate by “the voice of shooting”
BASC bashing is nothing more than an attempt to hold BASC and its employees accountable for their contradictory statements. The root of it isn’t unjustified personal attack it’s an indication of dissatisfaction with incompetent leadership. Whining about insufficient support and playing the victim is not a.credible defence

 

[timbrayford]

"After all, you are still shooting lead ammunition now, and will continue to be able to do so for all disciplines, should you choose to, until circa 2029, maybe longer - thanks to BASC."

Claims like this are risible and does really create doubt over the both the credibility and ability of BASC and its officers to conduct any kind of campaign in favour of the continuance of lawful activities?

 

[Chris Richardson]

Agreed and totally unacceptable yet that is the level of representation that is being considered appropriate by “the voice of shooting”
BASC bashing is nothing more than an attempt to hold BASC and its employees accountable for their contradictory statements. The root of it isn’t unjustified personal attack it’s an indication of dissatisfaction with incompetent leadership. Whining about insufficient support and playing the victim is not a.credible defence

im stunned the BASC still has so many members to be honest

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

"After all, you are still shooting lead ammunition now, and will continue to be able to do so for all disciplines, should you choose to, until circa 2029, maybe longer - thanks to BASC."

Claims like this are risible and does really create doubt over the both the credibility and ability of BASC and its officers to conduct any kind of campaign in favour of the continuance of lawful activities?

BASC was successful in influencing decisions to ensure that small calibres, airguns and shooting on ranges will be exempt from this proposed legislation. We achieved this by undertaking testing and writing technical reports that provided the evidence to underpin reports for the Health and Safety Executive. Perhaps its time to accept you were wrong all along about BASC and its defence of shooting interests and lead ammunition - which you are benefitting from - yet all you seem to do is criticise BASC - even on a thread about GWCT's response to the government announcement.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

im stunned the BASC still has so many members to be honest

Its because BASC is leading the way on protecting and promoting shooting. Perhaps its time to join the fight by supporting BASC.

 

[Woodenbeam]

Its because BASC is leading the way on protecting and promoting shooting. Perhaps its time to join the fight by supporting BASC.

Propaganda in its finest - talk about blinkered OMG. I note lead isn’t mentioned on your strap line I’ve quoted.
You truely do believe your company line, just as I truely believe you messed up big time giving an inch on the lead in ammunition debate.

 

[Ferretlurcher70]

Basc has been pushing steel for years in there magazine, it's been a slow brain washing of how wonderful steel is. Yes lead is toxic, asbestos is also hazardous and most homes pre 2000 contain it, I don't see them surrounded by hazard tape being demolished. It's all about balance off risk and benefit.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Its because BASC is leading the way on protecting and promoting shooting. Perhaps its time to join the fight by supporting BASC.

Delusion at its finest , quite frightening really

 

[Ruger#1]

Its because BASC is leading the way on protecting and promoting shooting.

And what part are you playing in that over generalised summation of BASC’s contribution to safeguarding the future of shooting. Precious little if anything and all overwhelmingly outweighed by your own personal stance supporting further lead shot restrictions.

 

[Smellydog]

Doc said to me recently that due to my comments many are scared to contribute.
So I've err been controlling myself and look, nothings changed

 

[timbrayford]

BASC was successful in influencing decisions to ensure that small calibres, airguns and shooting on ranges will be exempt from this proposed legislation. We achieved this by undertaking testing and writing technical reports that provided the evidence to underpin reports for the Health and Safety Executive. Perhaps its time to accept you were wrong all along about BASC and its defence of shooting interests and lead ammunition - which you are benefitting from - yet all you seem to do is criticise BASC - even on a thread about GWCT's response to the government announcement.

If BASC was so influencial as you claim we wouldn't be in this mess to start with!

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

Propaganda in its finest - talk about blinkered OMG. I note lead isn’t mentioned on your strap line I’ve quoted.
You truely do believe your company line, just as I truely believe you messed up big time giving an inch on the lead in ammunition debate.

Maybe you have been so entrenched in your mistaken views of BASC that you have lost perspective. The truth is that BASC has been doing lots of great work on your behalf. Maybe something to reflect on. Have you signed up for BASC's weekly updates? Click the link below if not to see for yourself and hopefully have a rethink:

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[Ruger#1]

im stunned the BASC still has so many members to be honest

If membership was based on their performance surrounding the lead ammunition issue ,membership wasn’t tied in to wildfowling club membership and shooters searched for liability insurance elsewhere the statements from BASC employees contrary to official BASC policy would see membership dwindle to double figures.
BASC have allowed themselves to be represented by an apologist for lead shot restrictions ,that they permit this to continue rather than question the logic of it raises uncomfortable questions and overshadows the good work they do on the shooting communities behalf.
If BASC are to enjoy the level of support they seek then only an acceptance and instigation of the changes required will bring that about.
BASC draw a line under tail wags dog and let’s see the work carried out by the significant majority of employees that benefits shooters take precedence over the present political doubletalk surrounding this much debated topic which only serves to create a distorted version of events and to discredit BASC

 

[Ratel]

. As a Zoologist, subsequently focusing on game biology and grey partridge, I know that a phased move away from lead shot in areas with wild greys will help their population recovery as underlined by GWCT research on lead shot ingestion by grey partridge chicks and adults. Every partridge counts.

As a zoological Conor you really should know that the greatest threat to Grey partridge certainly isn't lead shot. One can kill every ground based predator, never use lead shot, but the biggest threat and cause of dwindling numbers is airborne predation, which we can do sod all about. I was kèepering a partridge beat over 50 years ago, the threat was there then and it's twenty+ times as bad now on ground I look after. Lead shot deaths are very minimal.

 

[Overlay]

Me to, just in the process of cancelling my membership.

Hello mate
Same here, I think I’ve reached the point with all of them BASC, BDS NRA The fiasco over the BRSC, they made a point of it is now open for other people to use, it has always been open to all, greed on the part of the NRA, BASC should forget about menus for venison and such niceness and chuck everything to get shooting back on its feet ASAP, BDS reduced the L2 to one stalk and now want AW’s to pay a fee it’s all money money money orientated, I started with WAGBI and BFSS over 50 years what that has grown into now doesn’t warrant me paying for membership of any of them which includes helping out and AW. end of the line for me
Ironically over the 50 + years I’ve been a constant supporter l paid my dues to all, sadly I can’t find a single reason to be member of any of them to be honest
So no help or renewals or AW anymore

 

[Woodenbeam]

So 85% of respondents were against a ban on the recent Field Sports Channel lead ban query…………..
Would love to see the question put to other organisations memberships……….

 

[Woodenbeam]

Maybe you have been so entrenched in your mistaken views of BASC that you have lost perspective. The truth is that BASC has been doing lots of great work on your behalf. Maybe something to reflect on. Have you signed up for BASC's weekly updates? Click the link below if not to see for yourself and hopefully have a rethink:

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Looking down from your ivory tower has messed up your perspective is my opinion. You’ve made a business in preaching to the masses as opposed to listening to them.
I’ve tried to avoid posting having repeated myself time & time again on previous threads but your rhetoric is like a red rag to a bull unfortunately, I really do have better things to do.
Politicians should also have better things to do than concern themselves with the lead in ammunition debate.

 

[Smellydog]

As a zoological Conor you really should know that the greatest threat to Grey partridge certainly isn't lead shot. One can kill every ground based predator, never use lead shot, but the biggest threat and cause of dwindling numbers is airborne predation, which we can do sod all about. I was kèepering a partridge beat over 50 years ago, the threat was there then and it's twenty+ times as bad now on ground I look after. Lead shot deaths are very minimal.

Yes but my dear friend, he has to sit on the fence! He is compromised and the big white elephant has to be covered up somehow....

 

[Spear Chucker]

Their all crooked as far as I can see, I’ve not been a member of anybody organisation for almost 10 years none of them are worth the coin in my opinion

Mark Crudgington offered to 6 shooting related publications, an evidence based article repudiating claims that lead is harmful. It clearly showed that the evidence the shooting organisations was basing their sell-out upon, was cooked-up rubbish and in some cases lifted from RSPB sponsored studies with inconclusive results. Of the 6 only one, the Country Squire, took the letter.
The lady editor of the Field (that brave organ campaigning at every chance for country sports ) wrote back saying that she didn't think it was appropriate to "Challenge tge perceptions of her readership"
So even the shooting press were in on the sell-out.
Always thought the Field was a spank rag for monies twerps trying to work out what a pheasant looked like having received their first invitation to a corporate smash-up.

 

[Mike L]

Is there any way to access the article?