Interesting open letter concerning the lead shot/ammunition ban

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Heym SR20 said:
Re the 30-30, some options to consider.

Try the Peregrine VRG3 Bushmaster bullet. These are a flat nosed bullet designed to work at low velocities and close range on big game. The 135 and 150gr work in 1 in 14” twist and their load data gives 4 different loads for the 30-30 cartridge


Peregrine bullets are available in the UK, but you might have speak with the importer re the VRG3 in .308 cal.

In the US

Choice Ammo and Buffalo are loading a 150 Barnes TSX FN bullet in their 30-30 load

choiceammunition.com

30-30 Winchester 150 Grain Barnes TSX (Lead-Free)~100% Hand Loaded !!

.30-30 Winchester 160 grain FTX hand-loaded ammunition
choiceammunition.com choiceammunition.com

30-30 WIN. LEAD FREE Rifle Ammunition

30-30 WIN. LEAD FREE Rifle Ammunition Field Proven rifle and gun ammo. Maximum firepower bullets. Best ammunition for rifles and guns for sale. Buffalo Bore. Strictly big bore. Strictly Business.
www.buffalobore.com www.buffalobore.com

Again haven’t a clue whether such bullets are being brought into the UK. Ask your RFD to see if he can get them. Or go straight to whomever imports them. Even better have a few others with 30-30’s that are used for hunting and thus create a market demand.

Or approach one of the UK bullet manufacturers to develop a bullet. The beauty of the turned monolithic type bullets is that on one cnc lathe you can make any bullet you like. The investment is the design and programming, and in these days of CAD that’s not huge.
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like the way you suggest trying to buy bullets that you do not even know will be or will ever be in the U.K. , may as well suggest you buy a small lathe and some copper rod and make your own 😊
 
Liveonce said:
like the way you suggest trying to buy bullets that you do not even know will be or will ever be in the U.K. , may as well suggest you buy a small lathe and some copper rod and make your own 😊
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No its not a stupid suggestion. I asked my local RFD to add some of the very small 22 Bullets suitable for the 22 Hornet onto the next order he is placing. He is going to do so.

As for lathe and turning. Yes thats definitely an option for some. I know collectors and shooters of vintage rifles who do exactly that.

A simpler option is to simply use a 308. But what’s the fun in that.
 
Heym SR20 said:
As for lathe and turning. Yes thats definitely an option for some. I know collectors and shooters of vintage rifles who do exactly that.
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I think a lot of the brass bullets are turned on a lathe or at least a lathe type machine. I know there are at least two here that make them that way.
 
BryanDC said:
I think a lot of the brass bullets are turned on a lathe or at least a lathe type machine. I know there are at least two here that make them that way.
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Yes. Using computer programmes so, what I see on video, the rod of brass or whatever metal or alloy (or exact correct diameter) goes forward to a positive stop and then the cutting tools come in and shape it, grove it, drill the nose cavity. Then a parting tool comes in and cuts it off. The rod then feeds forward again to a positive stop and the process repeats.
 
enfieldspares said:
Yes. Using computer programmes so, what I see on video, the rod of brass or whatever metal or alloy (or exact correct diameter) goes forward to a positive stop and then the cutting tools come in and shape it, grove it, drill the nose cavity. Then a parting tool comes in and cuts it off. The rod then feeds forward again to a positive stop and the process repeats.
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Yes modern day version of a capstan. Oh that takes me back. You don't need a full machining centre just a simple double axis machine.
 
Heym SR20 said:
No its not a stupid suggestion. I asked my local RFD to add some of the very small 22 Bullets suitable for the 22 Hornet onto the next order he is placing. He is going to do so.

As for lathe and turning. Yes thats definitely an option for some. I know collectors and shooters of vintage rifles who do exactly that.

A simpler option is to simply use a 308. But what’s the fun in that.
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any luck on finding me that study ?
 
Heym SR20 said:
Re the 30-30, some options to consider.

Try the Peregrine VRG3 Bushmaster bullet. These are a flat nosed bullet designed to work at low velocities and close range on big game. The 135 and 150gr work in 1 in 14” twist and their load data gives 4 different loads for the 30-30 cartridge


Peregrine bullets are available in the UK, but you might have speak with the importer re the VRG3 in .308 cal.

In the US

Choice Ammo and Buffalo are loading a 150 Barnes TSX FN bullet in their 30-30 load

choiceammunition.com

30-30 Winchester 150 Grain Barnes TSX (Lead-Free)~100% Hand Loaded !!

.30-30 Winchester 160 grain FTX hand-loaded ammunition
choiceammunition.com choiceammunition.com

30-30 WIN. LEAD FREE Rifle Ammunition

30-30 WIN. LEAD FREE Rifle Ammunition Field Proven rifle and gun ammo. Maximum firepower bullets. Best ammunition for rifles and guns for sale. Buffalo Bore. Strictly big bore. Strictly Business.
www.buffalobore.com www.buffalobore.com

Again haven’t a clue whether such bullets are being brought into the UK. Ask your RFD to see if he can get them. Or go straight to whomever imports them. Even better have a few others with 30-30’s that are used for hunting and thus create a market demand.

Or approach one of the UK bullet manufacturers to develop a bullet. The beauty of the turned monolithic type bullets is that on one cnc lathe you can make any bullet you like. The investment is the design and programming, and in these days of CAD that’s not huge.
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Im pretty sure Ed @Edinburgh Rifles stocks peregrine
 
Heym SR20 said:
No its not a stupid suggestion. I asked my local RFD to add some of the very small 22 Bullets suitable for the 22 Hornet onto the next order he is placing. He is going to do so.

As for lathe and turning. Yes thats definitely an option for some. I know collectors and shooters of vintage rifles who do exactly that.

A simpler option is to simply use a 308. But what’s the fun in that.
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Good job you've got them lead ones to carry you over👍
 
BryanDC said:
Hi Tim. If you shoot at an approved range where they have control measures in place, can't you also carry on using lead ammunition? I haven't seen many police for example out in the woods shooting pheasants or deer. Don't they tend to fire live ammo on a range? Then the odd bullet or two in real life situations.
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I've been using copper only for my c/f rifles for the past 18 months, but why no military ban , isn't there a danger that the Great Bustards will be wiped out?
 
timbrayford said:
I've been using copper only for my c/f rifles for the past 18 months, but why no military ban , isn't there a danger that the Great Bustards will be wiped out?
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I can imagine it is because they are not shooting deer and leaving the waste to the scavangers? If they are shooting into sand banks behind the targets this could be an approved or controlled range where it can be recovered. As far as I know places like Bisley and Ash ranges are SSSIs but I believe live firing is contained to the target ranges with sand traps. When they have exercises on those surrounding areas around Pirbright, Bisley, Ash and West End they tend to use blanks. Although they used to use West End Common for live firing of mortars etc.
I'm curious now, can I ask why you have been using copper for your cf rifles for the last 18 months.
 
BryanDC said:
I can imagine it is because they are not shooting deer and leaving the waste to the scavangers? If they are shooting into sand banks behind the targets this could be an approved or controlled range where it can be recovered. As far as I know places like Bisley and Ash ranges are SSSIs but I believe live firing is contained to the target ranges with sand traps. When they have exercises on those surrounding areas around Pirbright, Bisley, Ash and West End they tend to use blanks. Although they used to use West End Common for live firing of mortars etc.
I'm curious now, can I ask why you have been using copper for your cf rifles for the last 18 months.
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Because I can consistently shoot clover leaf and near clover leaf groups with them off quad sticks at 100 yards, I load my own.
Performance on deer so far has been encouraging, narrow minced wound channel without the wider bruising that i had with the accubonds, but for anything fallow upwards I now use 270 instead of 243
 
timbrayford said:
Because I can consistently shoot clover leaf and near clover leaf groups with them off quad sticks at 100 yards, I load my own.
Performance on deer so far has been encouraging, narrow minced wound channel without the wider bruising that i had with the accubonds, but for anything fallow upwards I now use 270 instead of 243
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Ok. so they worked better than the lead ones you were using.
A Friend of here is contemplating switching his 30-06 out with a 270. After he tried his brothers in NZ and realised how flat they shoot.
 
BryanDC said:
Ok. so they worked better than the lead ones you were using.
A Friend of here is contemplating switching his 30-06 out with a 270. After he tried his brothers in NZ and realised how flat they shoot.
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Differently would be more accurate to say, but in trying to streamline my reloading operations I'm now focussing on using TTSX 95gr for both range and live quarry, I had previously used PPU 130gr for range practice at 25% or so the cost of Barnes, but it just worked out simpler to get some consistently good results and just fire fewer shots.
 
they use CNC sliding head lathes to make them I expect the modern replacement of the capstan lathe.

don’t panic few years to go yet to say good by to lead.
 
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