Alpex 4K or Stick With Swarovski
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Pellet Pinger
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You keep banging this drum, it’s so narrow minded.
Has it ever crossed your mind that folk are actually using these scopes to maximize the legal light and STAY within the law?
With your logic anyone can just clip torch on and shoot deer after hours, whats the difference?
Leec6.5
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Their doing it all the time
Leec6.5
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One on top of two
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How do you know ? Have you got proof of this criminal activity ?
Leec6.5
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No I have not, but human nature being what it is I’ll wager it’s happening all the time.
Put it this way I’ve BANNED thermal and digital from my cwd cull days, read into that how you will, it takes the temptation away!
when you’ve experienced the amount of paying clients I have over the years you trust no one.
One on top of two
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Im sorry but sounds like pure Cynicism on your part .
I am bringing the Alpex 4k with me next time I am over
it will be under a Swro cover.
Leec6.5
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100% I’m cynical, in the stalking world I can count on 1 hand the people I trust.
Leec6.5
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I am bringing the Alpex 4k with me next time I am over
just 1 yes
Sheamus
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Those desperate guys were about way before thermals and Digitals units. So with out doubt there still amongst us all right now.
I personally can put a dent in a population of Deer in the last three minutes of legal shooting. Without the temptation of going one second over.
I completed the last four months of last season using an Alpex.
It increased my average Deer cull by 50%.
The majority of them being shot on an evening during the last 5 minutes. I couldn't do that with my Swarovski Z6i.
Pellet Pinger
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This is exactly what I found, the benefits of the Alpex are marginal in the morning as the light is rising by the minute, typically I take a rifle with glass on it in the morning & after a sit up can go walkabout for a bit if I’ve not got to clear up... I can just as readily ping them using glass once the second hand has ticked past the 12 as I can with the Apex. It’s that last part of the ‘magic hour’ in the evening where it’s made a big difference to my numbers. No need to push past closing time either.
kenbro
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Blaser243
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I prefer a thermal scope over an Alpex (I have both), but the principle is the same. I have glass on nice rifles that I use more in daylight hours for "recreational" stalking but the thermal is my constant companion from around now until March when I need to get numbers. It has made a huge difference, without stretching the point of the 1 hour before sunrise (or more commonly) after sunset on fallow. I have a night licence on some of my ground, but of course thermal is not currently permitted in E&W for use with a night licence. I could easily continue on past the hour and still be in breach of that licence's terms (nobody would know) but I don't. I swap to the Alpex or a lamp because I play by the rules.
As for it increasing the likelihood of having to follow up on a wounded deer when shot 2 minutes before the hour is up - well, quite frankly why is that any different to shooting the same beast with glass 20 minutes earlier? It's still practically as dark! In reality, you are less likely to have wounded the animal because your sight picture through the Alpex/thermal would have been more positive than a grey blurry image through glass.
Using technology to make this better is a good thing and personally, I think those who don't will be left behind. I've taken on land where my proactive approach has been recognised as the differentiating factor for the landowner.
I think a bit of cynicism isn't unusual in stalking circles and sometimes for good reason. However, there are a lot of us who realise that we have a job to do but do it in accordance with the law and I think we do our community a disservice by constantly talking down how much other stalkers cannot be trusted.
As for it increasing the likelihood of having to follow up on a wounded deer when shot 2 minutes before the hour is up - well, quite frankly why is that any different to shooting the same beast with glass 20 minutes earlier? It's still practically as dark! In reality, you are less likely to have wounded the animal because your sight picture through the Alpex/thermal would have been more positive than a grey blurry image through glass.
Using technology to make this better is a good thing and personally, I think those who don't will be left behind. I've taken on land where my proactive approach has been recognised as the differentiating factor for the landowner.
I think a bit of cynicism isn't unusual in stalking circles and sometimes for good reason. However, there are a lot of us who realise that we have a job to do but do it in accordance with the law and I think we do our community a disservice by constantly talking down how much other stalkers cannot be trusted.
Leec6.5
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That’s his fault for buying a red dotMy buddy’s glass Swaro needs batteries.
KB.
kenbro
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It’s not a Red Dot type.
KB.
Foxyboy43
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Wait until the technology becomes slick and cheap enough to pile them high in tbe Lidl centre aisle.
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