Smellydog
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Yep, all the time.
Latest article on lead micro and nano particles in deer and grouse
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Not sure what makes the BBC think that is a Wagyu steak. If it is grown in a lab, it is obviously not Wagyu.
We need to have some proper activism over industrial businesses falsely appropriating language with the intention of making cosumers feel they're getting real, natural or local products. Fake meat and dairy products are high up my.list along with wind and solar power stations being described as farms, when what has actually happened is large areas of countryside have beem turned into industrial power stations.
jimmer.13
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I know it’s off topic but I’m really interested in what rifle you’re using.
It’s a terrible itch I need to scratch. Currently looking at a Hawken.
palmer_mike
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It’s a pedersoli Hawken (fast twist barrel). Get the one with the peep sight and it’s surprisingly easy to shoot acceptable groups at 100m. It’s the flintlock in my avatar
So There is guy I know who is in his 80's and he has worked in the motor trade his whole life and is still working albeit he owns the business, he was also a keen stalker and shooter and always ate what he shot and pretty much was the main part of his diet., IF I GET TO HIS AGE I am going to be very surprised and it wont be lead that is gonna kill me unless I get shot.
Smellydog
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I tell you what I am more likely to die of is the dam infestations of Keds, ticks and all sorts from last nights deer , I swear its worse this year. hey what doesnt kill you makes you stronger hahahaha
man I so admire those old flint locks ,
palmer_mike
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That is what I am talking about , I love when my mates in the States get excited about their muzzle loaders during ML season , now thats hunting imo
jimmer.13
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That’s it…… I’ve got black powder scabies now
Heym SR20
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Up here in Scotland we are unable to use muzzleloaders as none meet the minimum muzzle velocity requirements.
If you look, there are plenty of options for muzzleloaders with non toxic bullets. Perhaps not readily available in the UK, but not beyond the whit of man and a lathe and a length of copper rod.
jimmer.13
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what calibre mate?
Heym SR20
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Plenty of people do get to a good age. But plenty of people don’t. And there is plenty of evidence that lead is really very harmful and reduces your chances of getting to a good age. There is growing body of evidence that links lead pollution to heart disease, lung disease, cancers, dementia and inability to fight off infectious disease. If you think going to die well before your time, its likely to be any of the above it you don’t die through severe trauma.
And whilst you might want to continue to use lead, the lead you shoot out of your gun goes into the wider environment where it will affect others. So why should others die early just so you can continue polluting the environment with you lead bullets?
palmer_mike
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palmer_mike
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I’ll read with great interest the link to any scientific data to care to post to back up this statement. I’m calling bullsh1t
jimmer.13
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One I’m looking at is a .45. Already got a mould. Do you guys cast your own bullets and ball? The OP won’t mind hijacking his thread as he can’t read what we are posting. Think he blocked me and Smelly donks ago .
Back to the main topic, this is a very odd paper with a lot missing from it
Also it is not a nature paper it is a scientific reports paper which is a different journal published by nature with quite different standards
Firstly no indication of where the imaging was in relation to the shot site. The X-ray is ribcage but Was this a head shot deer ? (Suspect not but they give no indication). I expect this is the actual shot site which would normally be discarded anyway
Only one sample from one area was investigated but they make assumptions that the particles are transported in the bloodstream during the dying moments. That would really require some evidence of particles in a separate distal site
No control. They use a high resolution imaging technique for the first time in this way and assume all the highly absorbent particles are lead. They should have included a non-lead shot animal Or otherwise culled animal sample or even some shop bought beef for control. What if it is something else they are picking up. What if the lead is environmentally acquired instead of from the shot?
What if it is iron rich soil dust in the wound track?
What if it came from the gralloching knife or the hunters hands?
Who knows without some control
They made assumptions about the particle volumes they saw and added them up to nearly 1g of lead which would be 20% of the lead content of the bullet
Remember this is from one area and they believe the lead is transported via the bloodstream outside of that area.
that seems an extraordinary large loss and really should have indicated something wrong - I've recovered bullets and never lose that sort of amount into 'dust'. Really they should have used a sample where they could also recover the bullet to compare the mass
they do some measuring of the lead content of the bullet which is completely irrelevant since that's on the bloody website anyway and would only have been useful if they had an after to compare
Also it is not a nature paper it is a scientific reports paper which is a different journal published by nature with quite different standards
Firstly no indication of where the imaging was in relation to the shot site. The X-ray is ribcage but Was this a head shot deer ? (Suspect not but they give no indication). I expect this is the actual shot site which would normally be discarded anyway
Only one sample from one area was investigated but they make assumptions that the particles are transported in the bloodstream during the dying moments. That would really require some evidence of particles in a separate distal site
No control. They use a high resolution imaging technique for the first time in this way and assume all the highly absorbent particles are lead. They should have included a non-lead shot animal Or otherwise culled animal sample or even some shop bought beef for control. What if it is something else they are picking up. What if the lead is environmentally acquired instead of from the shot?
What if it is iron rich soil dust in the wound track?
What if it came from the gralloching knife or the hunters hands?
Who knows without some control
They made assumptions about the particle volumes they saw and added them up to nearly 1g of lead which would be 20% of the lead content of the bullet
Remember this is from one area and they believe the lead is transported via the bloodstream outside of that area.
that seems an extraordinary large loss and really should have indicated something wrong - I've recovered bullets and never lose that sort of amount into 'dust'. Really they should have used a sample where they could also recover the bullet to compare the mass
they do some measuring of the lead content of the bullet which is completely irrelevant since that's on the bloody website anyway and would only have been useful if they had an after to compare
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