BBC getting it wrong

[VSS]

Slightly off topic .... but just to highlight the abundant ignorance of it all.

I got into conversation with a middle aged Female Vegan over the festive break who wanted to know why "We"(us folks with guns) do what we do, and what is the reasoning behind it... in such situations I usually and politely go down the "fresh food on the table route" regards game shooting and food that has never seen polystyrene or clingfilm unlike battery farmed chicken etc. and also down the American Grey squirrel route in an attempt to educate regarding conservation of our native Reds, I explained that the introduced non native grey species carries a pox that wipes out reds and quoted numbers of song birds that they can decimate in a breeding season if left unchecked, but after doing so it was suggested that perhaps if we interbred them both in captivity and then released them back out into the woods then things would be OK ........ my mind was boggled at that stage and I decided to save my breath, I might just add that of the two people involved in the conversation, one of us is retired, hence a little ver middle age, and the other works in the education system........

You'll have to up your game a bit! Hone that patter!
In the last month I've successfully sold venison to three vegetarians!

 

[KRW]

I doubt anything would work there, I suspect that particular Vegan would actually faint at the sight of a piece of red meat

 

[weblyish]

You'll have to up your game a bit! Hone that patter!
In the last month I've successfully sold venison to three vegetarians!

My crowning glory last year was my vegetarian extended family member trying some roast haunch on one visit for sunday lunch and then dropping a note in advance of the next one to say she would have venison again if it was on the menu

I wouldn't usually go out of my way to try and convert vegetarians - everyone is allowed to choose - but I did know she was ethically opposed to how animals are treated rather than sentimental about their cute little faces

 

[Klenchblaize]

Its one thing to justify the culling of critters and selling the benefits of wild venison but it doesn't cut to the heart of the matter that is why do YOU feel the need to pull the trigger. Any attempt to explain such without admitting fully to the enjoyment you get from the chase is frankly disingenuous unless you truly only do it for fresh cheap meat (subsidence hunting) or the revenue from venison sales.

I'm given of many, many faults but if asked why I hunt with a rifle or informed that what I do is cruel, I never shy from admitting I take great pleasure from hunting/shooting deer, and this by definition must have an element of what at best our opponents might understand to be a primal instint with all the baggage this encompasses. That the primary enjoyment comes from immersion in the great outdoors allied to the "stalk" that combined provide deep spiritual fulfilment is not in doubt, from my perspective at least, but if that were all I'd sell my kit tomorrow and purchase the best 35mm camera and lenses money can buy.

K

 

[Chris Richardson]

You'll have to up your game a bit! Hone that patter!
In the last month I've successfully sold venison to three vegetarians!

I wouldn’t bother I’ve never worried what lesser minds think of me or what I do

 

[VSS]

I wouldn’t bother I’ve never worried what lesser minds think of me or what I do

Interestingly, it took no effort.
On all three occasions, the vegetarian in question was actually queuing to be served at an adjacent stall, and overheard me talking about sustainable deer management, ethical meat, blah blah blah, with one of my customers. Pricked up their ears, joined in the conversation, continued to chat with me after I'd served my customer, and then made a purchase.
It was all very nice, really.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Interestingly, it took no effort.
On all three occasions, the vegetarian in question was actually queuing to be served at an adjacent stall, and overheard me talking about sustainable deer management, ethical meat, blah blah blah, with one of my customers. Pricked up their ears, joined in the conversation, continued to chat with me after I'd served my customer, and then made a purchase.
It was all very nice, really.

Ah I think you misunderstood me Tim I meant the aforementioned lady who wanted to breed a red and grey squirrel and her ilk I would offer to provide a live grey squirrel for her experiment though

 

[VSS]

Ah I think you misunderstood me Tim I meant the aforementioned lady who wanted to breed a red and grey squirrel and her ilk I would offer to provide a live grey squirrel for her experiment though

Ah yes, clearly a nutter at large there.

 

[Freeforester]

Its one thing to justify the culling of critters and selling the benefits of wild venison but it doesn't cut to the heart of the matter that is why do YOU feel the need to pull the trigger. Any attempt to explain such without admitting fully to the enjoyment you get from the chase is frankly disingenuous unless you truly only do it for fresh cheap meat (subsidence hunting) or the revenue from venison sales.

I'm given of many, many faults but if asked why I hunt with a rifle or informed that what I do is cruel, I never shy from admitting I take great pleasure from hunting/shooting deer, and this by definition must have an element of what at best our opponents might understand to be a primal instint with all the baggage this encompasses. That the primary enjoyment comes from immersion in the great outdoors allied to the "stalk" that combined provide deep spiritual fulfilment is not in doubt, from my perspective at least, but if that were all I'd sell my kit tomorrow and purchase the best 35mm camera and lenses money can buy.

K

‘Meditations in Hunting’ by José Ortega y Gasset

 

[Freeforester]

And then there is this critter; any guesses?

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Irish Elk ( died out at the time of the mammoths, of the same principal cause)

 

[Chris Richardson]

Ah yes, clearly a nutter at large there.

Nutter I see what you did there , yes there is a portion of hardcore lefty vegans who despise logic and reason you will never get to see your side , mainly due to virtue signalling

 

[tarponhead]

There will be giraffe's in Scotland next or long neck spotted Reds.

Imagine the debate on SD about headshots on those…

 

[VSS]

Nutter I see what you did there , yes there is a portion of hardcore lefty vegans who despise logic and reason you will never get to see your side , mainly due to virtue signalling

I hoped somebody would laugh.

 

[tarponhead]

Yes! Only heard it once, but it was astonishing.

Like a sika on steroids. Which, I suppose, is more or less exactly what it is!

I have a colleague who did experiments playing back recordings of wapiti/elk bulls, sika stags, and Scottish red deer stags to red deer hinds. The hinds were most interested in the elk

can freely interbreed with both sika and red.

Must be tough ask for red hinds seeing a randy elk heading their way. I suspect sika girls would run towards them…

 

[Chris Richardson]

Must be tough ask for red hinds seeing a randy elk heading their way. I suspect sika girls would run towards them…

Wouldn’t we all

 

[Mungo]

Irish Elk ( died out at the time of the mammoths, of the same principal cause)

Sunspots?

 

[Sol]

In the UK there Elk, Alg In Sweden, Elg In Danish and Elch In German, None of them refer too one particular species (Okay, UK probably does historically) however the other countries are all descriptive words for large deer that usually moose are referred too as.

Moose Is Algonquian, some quick research It seems like the first proper landed NA area was Newfoundland? Historically Algonquian's were in that area so I imagine natives were encountered rather quickly(?) so I would assume "Moose" was adapted pretty quickly when we actually started too care about giving things names.

If I were too guess the time more people came over they entered a differing location that lacked moose, but had elk what isn't unfeasible If they were from mainland europe It makes sense too call them what they know best "Elk" as there a large cervid.

Obviously people probably called them loads of differing things, but those two words stuck.

 

[Jagare]

Moose need cold weather. The colder the environment the bigger they get. Can't see them doing well in a Midlands climate.

 

[VSS]

Moose need cold weather. The colder the environment the bigger they get. Can't see them doing well in a Midlands climate.

I was in the midlands last Thursday night.
It was definitely moose weather.

 

[Jagare]

I was in the midlands last Thursday night.
It was definitely moose weather.

Two snow flakes and -2c doth, not a winter make