Non stunned slaughter labels
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Only on the non runners and those at the the top of the trammel.
Totally agree?
Is one's opposition to the killing of animals without being stunned, an opposition which surely makes game and fish untenable? Or is it an opposition to the influence of Islam?
shakey jake
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Jews arent halal
They are kosher, similar procedure, different prayer.
Bo Diddley
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Regardless of how we dispatch farmed animals, the best thing anyone can do for them is to remember that something has died to end up on your plate and not to waste meat.
It really pi$$e$ me off to see folks turn their noses up because meat might be a little over/undercooked for their tastes... they must never have been hungry.
It really pi$$e$ me off to see folks turn their noses up because meat might be a little over/undercooked for their tastes... they must never have been hungry.
I'm not 100% but I think meat labelled with the Red Tractor logo is pre stunned.
I wouldn’t trust a red tractor label as far as I could pee.
I'm doubtful that this criterion is one which necessarily distinguishes good from poor welfare, given the possibility of botched stunning, long trips to abattoirs and an increasingly industrialised approach.
I wouldn't exclude the possibility Halal slaughter could be done to a high welfare standard.
I wouldn't exclude the possibility Halal slaughter could be done to a high welfare standard.
Bo Diddley
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Legislation and red tape are all encompassing unfortunatly.
A friend tried to find a way around having to send his cattle to an abattoir to be slaughtered, but it was not possible, so he used a small local one, they had a bit of compassion for their job.
He only ever had three bullocks, all at different stages. When one was finished and ready for slaughter, he would buy in another calf, thus ensuring that he always had two bullocks on his smallholding at any one time. They almost became family pets and would follow him around. His kids loved the cows as much as the family dog.
He dearly wanted his cattle to be slaughtered on his holding and not have the stress of being loaded up and run down the road in a trailer.
I'd imagine if school kids had a day at an abattoir, 80% would become veggies immediately.
A friend tried to find a way around having to send his cattle to an abattoir to be slaughtered, but it was not possible, so he used a small local one, they had a bit of compassion for their job.
He only ever had three bullocks, all at different stages. When one was finished and ready for slaughter, he would buy in another calf, thus ensuring that he always had two bullocks on his smallholding at any one time. They almost became family pets and would follow him around. His kids loved the cows as much as the family dog.
He dearly wanted his cattle to be slaughtered on his holding and not have the stress of being loaded up and run down the road in a trailer.
I'd imagine if school kids had a day at an abattoir, 80% would become veggies immediately.
Malxwal
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Opposition to religion overriding science.
BenBhoy
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How do you then find the killing of game acceptable scientifically?
It's not really religion overriding science.
The RSPCA says 88% of halal slaughtered meat is stunned, that being true takes the large majority of it outside the scope of this criticism.
With the rest of it, my opinion is that science has not found a valid way to assess the level of welfare in such a way that it is possible to make such claims. All that science appares to have done thus far is to measure that animals suffer extremely unpleasant effects for up to 20 seconds for sheep and 2.5 minutes for chickens from halal slaughter. Which we are expected to judge by human cultural standards, rather than scientifically.
It hasn't found a way to compare that objectively to the level of suffering in the entire process from field to butcher for different means of slaughter, nor for different species, nor indeed variation within species. It is well known that different species have very different physiological responses to the immediate prospect of death, and indeed even their level of sentience is not well established.
Personally, I think an awful lot of this sort of stuff is fairly spurious.
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