That I cannot answer. I suppose every case is different.
Firearms seized following false allegation - anyone been through similar?
- Thread starter Mike.b
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I'm really sorry to read this. The fact that a child's false allegations following being disciplined has lead to the immediate seizure of guns from a law-abiding adult (especially a parent) is indicative of a society that's failing in so many respects. Not particularly helpful, I know, but this fills me with utter dismay 
You be surprised how often this happens ...and its not a new thing ... I know of same type of thing reported 20yrs back to a colleagueI'm really sorry to read this. The fact that a child's false allegations following being disciplined has lead to the immediate seizure of guns from a law-abiding adult (especially a parent) is indicative of a society that's failing in so many respects. Not particularly helpful, I know, but this fills me with utter dismay
Nope ....thats for sure ....wwe walk a fine line
Paul
Jeff8861
Well-Known Member
I have dealt with numerous issues similar to this.
This can go a number of ways. If the allegation is made during office hours the fld will be consulted on an appropriate course of action. There are a number of outcomes. Fld could ask you to voluntary surrender whilst the police conduct the investigation if you refuse you will be revoked. If revoked regardless of the investigation the only way to go after that is appeal. If action is taking out of hours it will be the control room inspector or equivalent that will decide. Sometimes these decision makers are not upto speed with the legislation so will revoke in error. For me there is no immediate risk to life so no revoke it should be a voluntary surrender. Arv turn up take guns or it maybe response cops, arv are more suitable and understand procedure.
The fld will not do anything till the police investigation is concluded. Depending on this outcome will then dictate fld action. If there is no further action and the officer in charge report is positive you should get youre guns back thats if you voluntary surrendered. If the police report to the fld is negative you may struggle. Remember just because there is no action or youre found not guilty you may still lose you guns. Fld operate on the lower standard of proof. Domestic violence or any type of violence will result in loss of guns. In any event following conclusion of the police investigation a member of the fld will speak to you. You may be invited in to speak with the flm.
So ultimately you need to clarify were you given the option to vs or did they revoke you. I would suggest at least 6 month time frames.
This can go a number of ways. If the allegation is made during office hours the fld will be consulted on an appropriate course of action. There are a number of outcomes. Fld could ask you to voluntary surrender whilst the police conduct the investigation if you refuse you will be revoked. If revoked regardless of the investigation the only way to go after that is appeal. If action is taking out of hours it will be the control room inspector or equivalent that will decide. Sometimes these decision makers are not upto speed with the legislation so will revoke in error. For me there is no immediate risk to life so no revoke it should be a voluntary surrender. Arv turn up take guns or it maybe response cops, arv are more suitable and understand procedure.
The fld will not do anything till the police investigation is concluded. Depending on this outcome will then dictate fld action. If there is no further action and the officer in charge report is positive you should get youre guns back thats if you voluntary surrendered. If the police report to the fld is negative you may struggle. Remember just because there is no action or youre found not guilty you may still lose you guns. Fld operate on the lower standard of proof. Domestic violence or any type of violence will result in loss of guns. In any event following conclusion of the police investigation a member of the fld will speak to you. You may be invited in to speak with the flm.
So ultimately you need to clarify were you given the option to vs or did they revoke you. I would suggest at least 6 month time frames.
Jeff8861
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Can take a lot longer than twelve months, especially if you voluntarily surrender your certificate.
If you voluntarily surrender your certificate you have no legal way forward, until you reapply and are refused a grant,
If your certificate is revoked you can appeal to a judge but must make that appeal within a certain time period.
The legal way is generally expensive and the police know that and they have the advantage of using tax payers money.
Bo Diddley
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^^^^ Because that's not the ending that has been written in the script. ^^^
Once the guns have been taken, they don't like to have to give them back... it means they have lost the game that time
Once the guns have been taken, they don't like to have to give them back... it means they have lost the game that time
It's an interesting one when it comes to children. Everything is recorded and the child is initially believed.
I've seen kids cry domestic abuse, only to have the kid go home to that same parent a few hours later due to no actual evidence. If there were legally registered firearms at the premises then you can bet that same parent who is deemed fit to take their child home, would have lost those firearms for the foreseeable.
My wife had a member of staff approach her last week, asking to register a "cause for concern" as the child had disclosed daddy takes him out shooting and daddy takes the guns out of the same and puts them in his car safe when they go out.
The teacher thought this concerning. Thankfully my wife is now part of a shooting household so suggested that the parent was in fact being very responsible, having multiple locked safes and an obviously strong practice of firearm security. When further questioned on wether the child had ever handled a firearm, the child was quick to say that daddy never let them and they only watched.
We're it another head, that concern would have been logged. Possibly the authorities called, FAC holder interviewed.
You can see how having an FAC makes you open to accusations and far more measures than a "normal" parent.
I've seen kids cry domestic abuse, only to have the kid go home to that same parent a few hours later due to no actual evidence. If there were legally registered firearms at the premises then you can bet that same parent who is deemed fit to take their child home, would have lost those firearms for the foreseeable.
My wife had a member of staff approach her last week, asking to register a "cause for concern" as the child had disclosed daddy takes him out shooting and daddy takes the guns out of the same and puts them in his car safe when they go out.
The teacher thought this concerning. Thankfully my wife is now part of a shooting household so suggested that the parent was in fact being very responsible, having multiple locked safes and an obviously strong practice of firearm security. When further questioned on wether the child had ever handled a firearm, the child was quick to say that daddy never let them and they only watched.
We're it another head, that concern would have been logged. Possibly the authorities called, FAC holder interviewed.
You can see how having an FAC makes you open to accusations and far more measures than a "normal" parent.
Bo Diddley
Well-Known Member
That situation just about sums up perfectly what is wrong with this country... The Wokerarty.
The after school club approached me when my daughter was in primary school, saying my daughter has an overactive imagination, because she said to them that I have guns at home… I said, yes, but legally certified to hold them.. My daughters now a member of one of my shooting clubs
Though not as keen to shoot nowadays as she once was…
norsk
Well-Known Member
Or the recruiting office.I hope you are dropping the lad off at the children’s home tomorrow
This yet another example of state interference in every aspect of our lives,
Common Sense is virtually extinct now,
We’ve an utterly Brain washed generation who through years of school doctrines are untouchable, zero consequences to any actions, completely inclusive and utterly delusional,
I’m so glad I’m old,
Hope you get your issues resolved quickly and manage to rebuild your relationship with your son
Common Sense is virtually extinct now,
We’ve an utterly Brain washed generation who through years of school doctrines are untouchable, zero consequences to any actions, completely inclusive and utterly delusional,
I’m so glad I’m old,
Hope you get your issues resolved quickly and manage to rebuild your relationship with your son
matty779blue
Active Member
This is pretty terrifying. When I split with my ex wife I nearly had my guns removed as my ex tried to commit suicide as a cry for help. She phone the ambulance herself. I had left six months prior and my only saving grace was the guns were at my dad’s on his licence whilst I sorted out a house and security. Being out in the field is a big part of my life and keeps me sane. To have something taken away because someone makes false allegations would be very tough. I feel for you bud
Not quite the same as my firearms were seized but certificates were not revoked.
1. I had an allegation of assault by someone who was very drunk while I was completely sober
2. I was arrested and all my firearms were taken
3. I was processed and placed in a cell
4. I was interviewed
5. I was released without charge and given a lift home
6. I contacted the firearms dept (TVP) and was told they would carry out their own investigation
7. BASC were useless
8. After a month I was deemed suitable to get my firearms returned (I needed them for work) and I did a lot of chasing
9. The staff at TVP were professional throughout
10. They did contact the person who made the allegation to ask if they had any issue with my firearms being returned
1. I had an allegation of assault by someone who was very drunk while I was completely sober
2. I was arrested and all my firearms were taken
3. I was processed and placed in a cell
4. I was interviewed
5. I was released without charge and given a lift home
6. I contacted the firearms dept (TVP) and was told they would carry out their own investigation
7. BASC were useless
8. After a month I was deemed suitable to get my firearms returned (I needed them for work) and I did a lot of chasing
9. The staff at TVP were professional throughout
10. They did contact the person who made the allegation to ask if they had any issue with my firearms being returned
ContinShots
Well-Known Member
This is over reason why my could has no idea that there are firearms in the house and never will until old enough to fully understand what it's all about. I'm also a divorced and parent 50/50, so I would have no witness to any allegations. I'm extremely careful to never disclose anything around my child and most certainly not their friends, and I never mention shooting as a hobby tk anyone I don't trust. These days you have to he so careful.
Martiniblack577
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Sadly this thread underlines the need for legal insurance for circumstances like this. Very difficult time for you right now.
DaveNeal
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sounds like a right crappy situation there , sorry youre having to go thru it.
just curious, if They did come to seize, could you demand they carry a suitable FAC else you're handing over firearms to non certified people ? just wondering.
hope this gets resolved for the best
just curious, if They did come to seize, could you demand they carry a suitable FAC else you're handing over firearms to non certified people ? just wondering.
hope this gets resolved for the best
ContinShots
Well-Known Member
No. Any police officer can possess any firearm through the course of their job.
Hardly.
Somebody made an allegation. Police took it seriously. Police remove firearms to prevent the worst. You believe acting to prevent possible loss of life is ‘interference’? Interesting.
Issue goes away, supposedly. Was it real was it not. Police not in a hurry to give firearms back let’s give it a while, it’s clearly a volatile situation let’s see if it calms down or flares up.
Seems entirely sensible to me. Rough if you didn’t do anything wrong but properly cautious if you are the Police.
What do you want, another Plymouth ? It’s easy for you to whine when you accept everything at face value, it’s a lot harder to make a judgement in an emotional situation where actual truth may not be entirely clear, another blow up with a hormonal kid seems likely, and the consequences of a poor decision on your part is people getting killed. Just like Plymouth. Given that **** up it’s hard to blame the Police if they don’t want to repeat their error.
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