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New NE Deer Night Shooting Licence England/Wales (CL55)
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monarman
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How about you tell us where there's a deer problem in the North of England? and if it's such a problem why do a vast majority of stalkers from the North of England join syndicates in Scotland?
And why are there no Forestry England or other events promoting the need to control deer in large numbers up here,like the are down south?
I know reds in Cumbria have been a bit difficult to get to grips with in certain areas, but as for yorkshire and Northumberland there aren't masses of deer that need jumping on like down south...the deer problems are down south.
And I've been in the industry for 30 years and have noticed that numbers have not risen to the problematic stage in the North, in fact some areas there is a noticeable lack of big numbers.
I don't think there is an issue that needs a night license that's for sure, it needs boots on the ground if anything.
And why are there no Forestry England or other events promoting the need to control deer in large numbers up here,like the are down south?
I know reds in Cumbria have been a bit difficult to get to grips with in certain areas, but as for yorkshire and Northumberland there aren't masses of deer that need jumping on like down south...the deer problems are down south.
And I've been in the industry for 30 years and have noticed that numbers have not risen to the problematic stage in the North, in fact some areas there is a noticeable lack of big numbers.
I don't think there is an issue that needs a night license that's for sure, it needs boots on the ground if anything.
whilst i agree boots on the ground is needed , a friend of mine in south yorkshire had 50 reds feeding in 2 small fields on the peaks district this morning and
in parts of west yorkshire roe numbers are very out of hand , trust me ill not be joining a syndicate in scotland not when im kept so busy here , but thats just my 20 odd years in this game .......
Nickb
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Northumberland and Durham now have a lot of Roe, they are everywhere now as traditionally a lot of areas are unshot.
What numbers do you expect to take off your new 10k block?
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nf-fuse
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It's easy to go off on rants on forums but honestly I've read the whole thing and it's a joke for normal people.
- Need a night certificate and DS1 (foxes etc fine don't worry)
- 640 high end thermal only but 6x40 glass scope and a torch is fine
- Have to inform the police before you go out (and neighbours possibly)
- Have to inform natural England after you go out (even if you blank).
- Only can do it if every other day avenue exhausted
- natural England can inspect you
- Need a night certificate and DS1 (foxes etc fine don't worry)
- 640 high end thermal only but 6x40 glass scope and a torch is fine
- Have to inform the police before you go out (and neighbours possibly)
- Have to inform natural England after you go out (even if you blank).
- Only can do it if every other day avenue exhausted
- natural England can inspect you
Booked to do this after being directly contacted by the fella in charge of bringing down deer numbers for the whole area. He ultimately wants more deer culled and we've all been lamenting how they appear to have gone nocturnal this season.
They're therefore subsidising the course for people. They've arranged 3 days of courses and already have 2 booked, with the last day looking at being pretty much full too.
They're therefore subsidising the course for people. They've arranged 3 days of courses and already have 2 booked, with the last day looking at being pretty much full too.
Dan Newcombe
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Do I read right that they are specifying the thermal sensor spec you have to use?
This is why people get fed up with these things. Let people get on with it
This is why people get fed up with these things. Let people get on with it
nf-fuse
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Yes they are. 640 minimum.
It's written, to my mind, like they just discovered the notion of shooting at night. Inform the police AND FLD 24 hours before you shoot etc.
I can see the reporting the to them to some degree. I guess they need data on it is actually being used but the reporting to the police just seems absolutely ridiculous. How many people are out foxing with centre fires....
Dan Newcombe
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So the HIK SH and a bunch of the pulsars that are being used a lot aren’t legal according to the new license? What a pain and unnecessary.
We have to notify the police when we start and finish - just a 5 minute call to 101 and it works pretty well.
We have to notify the police when we start and finish - just a 5 minute call to 101 and it works pretty well.
nf-fuse
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No 24 hours before. Police and relevant licensing department. Not sure if that requires two different contact authors or they just don't know their rear end from their elbow.
nf-fuse
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Condition 7: notify others
- Before taking action under the licence you must:
- inform the local police and relevant firearms licensing authority at least 24 hours before any night shooting
- notify the owners or occupiers of adjoining land in advance if it is reasonable to conclude that the use of this land will be affected or disturbed by night shooting.
- Before taking action under the licence you must:
- inform the local police and relevant firearms licensing authority at least 24 hours before any night shooting
- notify the owners or occupiers of adjoining land in advance if it is reasonable to conclude that the use of this land will be affected or disturbed by night shooting.
absolutely ridiculous
nf-fuse
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True but I don't really agree with the notion because that's part of deer shooting. Don't take the shot if you aren't sure. Granting night licence doesn't give you the right to shoot stuff out of season.
You could be using a night vision spotter or a higher spec thermal spotter (or multi spectral etc). Or scope with both NV and thermal.
The onus is on the shooter just as much as it is in the day time.
True, my thermal bins are 640 so you'd think that would suffice for ID
640 is fine but 50mm minimum focal length puts most thermal scopes out of spec
monarman
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Notifying the police is not a bad thing... save alot of hassle if someone thinks there's poaching going on or if indeed there's a local who doesn't agree with deer being shot and wants to cause hassle.
Notifying neighbours... depends on where you're shooting, horses or lther livestock may need to be brought in as they aren't used to shots at night and can spook, Neighbours won't call the police thinking there are poachers, if shooting is done near any form of industrial site it's best to let security know..
People need to realise that it's not the same as going out after foxes... you're under a license.
As for high end thermal use only... obvious isn't it?? .. NE aren't going to risk non target species being shot due to lack of definition by poorer quality thermals, And we owe it to what we shoot at to make sure the point of aim is spot on.
Although this point was never mentioned on the initial dmq night shooting courses so I'm assuming it will be in future...
Notifying neighbours... depends on where you're shooting, horses or lther livestock may need to be brought in as they aren't used to shots at night and can spook, Neighbours won't call the police thinking there are poachers, if shooting is done near any form of industrial site it's best to let security know..
People need to realise that it's not the same as going out after foxes... you're under a license.
As for high end thermal use only... obvious isn't it?? .. NE aren't going to risk non target species being shot due to lack of definition by poorer quality thermals, And we owe it to what we shoot at to make sure the point of aim is spot on.
Although this point was never mentioned on the initial dmq night shooting courses so I'm assuming it will be in future...
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