New NE Deer Night Shooting Licence England/Wales (CL55)

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What were all forgetting is the animal welfare situation of shooting at night, especially by those who think they know what their doing, but really have no clue.
That’s where the qualification and experience requirement comes in.

Mind you not a lot to stop someone collecting all the tickets, going out with Jo experience and ballsing it up. But are they really going to go to the effort all of a sudden just because they can now shoot at night?
 
We weren't rich like you, a catty, clay marbles or ballbearings. A half moon, windy night, no lamp needed.
Rich in quality of life maybe, but certainly not in money!
I still have that same .410 now. It was my father's. I remember him buying it in Radcliffes in Colchester. I must've been about 10 years old. I felt very proud walking alongside him through the hustle and bustle of Christmas shoppers in the town centre, him striding along with the gun under his arm.*
How times have changed!

(* It was wrapped up in brown paper, but nonetheless unmistakably a gun).
 
Maybe just don’t worry about the numbers and enjoy your stalking, there’s better things to do that drag dead deer about at night that’s for sure.
I've already decided, I'm getting too old to be dragging red deer around after dark, sod that, when/if I do it I will be doing it an 2 hours before sunrise, that way by the time I've got everything in place to extract the beast it's only going to get lighter as the sun appears.

I shot a red on last light yesterday, bloody wet muddy fields, that convinced me of the above.
 
Think my son might be one of the ones you dislike in the next gen - we have a ‘stalking lamp’
It’s not all bad - you daytime creepers don’t seem to be holding your end up with regard to numbers and environmental damage
Does you son actually do any stalking and if so, what does he think of it? Is it just circumstance? Would he prefer to stalk some nice woodland during daylight with good deer numbers or would he not exchange that for lamping?
 
Rich in quality of life maybe, but certainly not in money!
I still have that same .410 now. It was my father's. I remember him buying it in Radcliffes in Colchester. I must've been about 10 years old. I felt very proud walking alongside him through the hustle and bustle of Christmas shoppers in the town centre, him striding along with the gun under his arm.*
How times have changed!

(* It was wrapped up in brown paper, but nonetheless unmistakably a gun).
I must admit that I considered myself very rich when I bought my first Hornet. Also sad, but wealthy beyond belief when I was given Grampa's 7x57 and 12 bore sidelock after his funeral.
 
Rich in quality of life maybe, but certainly not in money!
I still have that same .410 now. It was my father's. I remember him buying it in Radcliffes in Colchester. I must've been about 10 years old. I felt very proud walking alongside him through the hustle and bustle of Christmas shoppers in the town centre, him striding along with the gun under his arm.*
How times have changed!

(* It was wrapped up in brown paper, but nonetheless unmistakably a gun).
Apologies for the thread deviation -

Popped into radcliffes at the “new” spot when I was in Essex last year.

Still smells the same as the high st shop and they still have the intricate drawers holding individual treble hooks, swivels etc.

And the head man (Rob?) and one of the once younger now an old boy were in there.

I have to say it made me very happy and reminiscent of the many hours wandering up and down the narrow walkways between rods and glass cabinets, and I told them so! (“I’ll leave you at radcliffes whilst I pop into Williams and griffins” very cheap childcare…)
 
Does you son actually do any stalking and if so, what does he think of it? Is it just circumstance? Would he prefer to stalk some nice woodland during daylight with good deer numbers or would he not exchange that for lamping?
Probably a woodland full of deer, but that is the exact problem, people are managing areas for the own needs and wants rather than hitting the deer numbers down, hard. That’s why the government are changing the rules and making it easier to go out and kill as many deer as possible.
 
Shooting at night is purely a management tool and nothing else...its not stalking.

Whilst fallow etc are not stupid it takes very little skill to get close to them at night compared to in the day. However numbers need managing in some areas and it seems that this will assist in that process.

Like all things I am sure it will be open to abuse but that is true at the moment with people illegally shooting deer at night.
 
Shooting at night is purely a management tool and nothing else...its not stalking.

Whilst fallow etc are not stupid it takes very little skill to get close to them at night compared to in the day. However numbers need managing in some areas and it seems that this will assist in that process.

Like all things I am sure it will be open to abuse but that is true at the moment with people illegally shooting deer at night.

It matters not a jot
what time of day they're shot,
Or even in the night
when the mozzies like to bite,
provided that it's done humanely and efficiently, and the carcasses are treated with respect (ie, processed cleanly and not wasted).

(Sorry, got a bit carried away there at the start. Thought we were on the limerick thread!)
 
It matters not a jot
what time of day they're shot,
Or even in the night
when the mozzies like to bite,
provided that it's done humanely and efficiently, and the carcasses are treated with respect (ie, processed cleanly and not wasted).

(Sorry, got a bit carried away there at the start. Thought we were on the limerick thread!)
:lol: Agree on the the last point after mozzies lol

Given the decent kit out there I have no issues with night shooting ... though I feel its an easy excuse for some who neither have the skill or desire to try and manage deer during the day (though not saying this is true for the majority).
 
:lol: Agree on the the last point after mozzies lol

Given the decent kit out there I have no issues with night shooting ... though I feel its an easy excuse for some who neither have the skill or desire to try and manage deer during the day (though not saying this is true for the majority).
There's a lot of deer out there. I think there's got to be a shift in priority/mindset from "sporting" to producing top quality venison from this fantastic natural resource. Night shooting will be a useful tool in the box from that perspective.
 
There's a lot of deer out there. I think there's got to be a shift in priority/mindset from "sporting" to producing top quality venison from this fantastic natural resource. Night shooting will be a useful tool in the box from that perspective.
Agreed but lets see what impact this has on either prices at the game dealer or pressure on people to take head shots. Given some on night licences can shoot 40 or 50 fallow in one night it wont take many doing that to fill the chillers.

Time will tell.
 
Been there, done it, tee shirt worn out. I had to do the night job on one estate where there were too many Sika. Not hard to do if you know how to do it sensibly (in those days it was a lamp, no modern aids) and have a good dog with you. Would I do it again, no chance. Just the same as I wouldn't be a "Marksman" on runners or escapees in an F&M outbreak again.
 
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