Night shooting deer under CL55 - Police Notifications

[nf-fuse]

None, but that's not the point. They've now made it a requirement to follow best practice and best practice is to have access to a deer dog

The wording is 'if necessary'.

 

[Jh1986]

The wording is 'if necessary'.

If you can't find the derr... Is it necessary?

If you don't find the deer at all, it was necessary

 

[Tim.243]

None, but that's not the point. They've now made it a requirement to follow best practice and best practice is to have access to a deer dog

so how do you keep your dog keen and working if you don't take it?

 

[nf-fuse]

To be honest I think with cl55 the number of people who are going to jump through all the hoops and go out with their buddy and 640x512 , 50mm thermal, risk assessment, informing the neighbours and forming an action plan are actually really small. It's just basically public sector nonsense. Probably took a lot of meetings to cook up.

 

[Jh1986]

640x512 , 50mm thermal,

I questioned this on the course and suggested a multispectral isn't a "dedicated" thermal and you could therefore be legal with lesser spec.

Raised eyebrows

 

[Tim.243]

@Jh1986

I questioned this on the course and suggested a multispectral isn't a "dedicated" thermal and you could therefore be legal with lesser spec.

Raised eyebrows

so how do you keep your deer dog keen and working if you don't take it?

 

[Jh1986]

@Jh1986

so how do you keep your dog keen and working if you don't take it?

I don't know, I have a useless retriever that just sits and watches me eat



I'm just stating that the guidance is now a requirement

 

[Tim.243]

I don't know, I have a useless retriever that just sits and watches me eat

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I'm just stating that the guidance is now a requirement

Yes, however what will you when following your own "best practice" plan when you go out? As that will be a waste of dog tracking services if you know you could avoid it. It is along side going stalking with out the bolt lol.

 

[Jh1986]

Yes, however what will you when following your own "best practice" plan when you go out? As that will be a waste of dog tracking services if you know you could avoid it. It is along side going stalking with out the bolt lol.

I think having the number of a local service, or another stalker locally that has a dog, will suffice

 

[Chris Richardson]

I questioned this on the course and suggested a multispectral isn't a "dedicated" thermal and you could therefore be legal with lesser spec.

Raised eyebrows

dont disagree with them theyll take those bits of paper off you

 

[Tim.243]

I think having the number of a local service, or another stalker locally that has a dog, will suffice

Then it is just ticking boxes...

 

[Jh1986]

Then it is just ticking boxes...

As is most legislation. Tick the box to show we are in no way liable for anything going wrong

 

[big ears]

so how do you keep your dog keen and working if you don't take it?

If you read the best practice it states:
“As with daytime stalking a suitable dog should be available if necessary.”

So there is no difference if you stalk in the day or night according to best practice.

It is only access so having a mate with a hound to look the next morning is OK.

Remember these are guidelines not laws!

Also the BDS own the DI so they will of course push this.

And finally DO NOT TRUST THE DI!!!

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

@Jh1986

so how do you keep your deer dog keen and working if you don't take it?

My dog never came talking with me ever because she wasn’t stalking dog. She was a tracking dog. That’s what she was bred to do. That’s what she was trained to do.

So she stayed at home or in the truck to required if required

 

[Tim.243]

If you read the best practice it states:
“As with daytime stalking a suitable dog should be available if necessary.”

So there is no difference if you stalk in the day or night according to best practice.

It is only access so having a mate with a hound to look the next morning is OK.

Remember these are guidelines not laws!

Also the BDS own the DI so they will of course push this.

And finally DO NOT TRUST THE DI!!!

I got all of that and quite aware about guide lines also could see the chap who I was asking fitted in for that course, all these "guide lines and best practice " sticks out like a sore thumb lol
A bit like when I sat the DSC1 course the muppets who were told to lay down and shoot the 100 prone and missed the bull, I tipped it bollocks and shot off my sticks

 

[weblyish]

To be honest I think with cl55 the number of people who are going to jump through all the hoops and go out with their buddy and 640x512 , 50mm thermal, risk assessment, informing the neighbours and forming an action plan are actually really small. It's just basically public sector nonsense. Probably took a lot of meetings to cook up.

This feels dangerously like one of those checklists at work that no one really follows to the letter but come in very handy if you want to fire someone

It's all fine until you get a complaint from the new development of flats and some officious PC turns up and now your guns are seized

 

[Polar Lynx]

For us (Sweden) rules are 1. Tracing dog acessible within 2 hrs after a shot 2. Always a dog when wildfowl shooting
Meaning not accepted to wait for next morning.

 

[Jh1986]

Remember these are guidelines not laws!

Unless shooting under CL55, in which case they now are

 

[big ears]

Unless shooting under CL55, in which case they now are

No they are recommendations not law

 

[Jh1986]

No they are recommendations not law

CL55 literally states you must follow best practice guidance as part of it's conditions. If you don't, you are in breach of the night license, which is to say you are shooting without one.