New NE Deer Night Shooting Licence England/Wales (CL55)

[nf-fuse]

if your having to apply for a night license, your putting too much pressure on your ground, you won’t see deer if their not comfortable in their surroundings, it’s as simple as that!

It’s the fundamental basics of deer stalking, obviously you have you lot been blinded by B/S

Same applies in the day though. If you go out and clatter whatever quarry you're after.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Same applies in the day though. If you go out and clatter whatever quarry you're after.

Exactly you put too much pressure on them they will do they’ll soon realise their not safe at night either so they will do one and you won’t get any!

It’s really not rocket science, it’s the basics of deer management that you lot seem to have forgotten in favour of short cuts.

 

[Tim.243]

Same applies in the day though. If you go out and clatter whatever quarry you're after.

What was your deer count for 2025?

 

[wytonpjs]

Its not desperate just another tool in the box if anyone wishes to use it.

^^^ Exactly this. There are no resident fallow on my ground but they pass through as they use the Cotswold wooded valleys to pop up between farms. the DNSL is another tool to try to hit the females before the end of the season in my case to hopefully keep them at manageable levels in these parts unlike Lincs, Sussex, etc.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

^^^ Exactly this. There are no resident fallow on my ground but they pass through as they use the Cotswold wooded valleys to pop up between farms. the DNSL is another tool to try to hit the females before the end of the season in my case to hopefully keep them at manageable levels in these parts unlike Lincs, Sussex, etc.

You’ve applied on a wing and a prayer, that they might come your way, so from what you’re saying they’re not resident, and not causing masses of damage regularly as they’re not resident so all you’re doing really is picking a scab that doesn’t need picking. Shoot them when you see them in daylight hours you don’t put too much pressure on the ground they’ll be there if they want to be there. It’s really not rocket science

 

[Nickb]

You’ve applied on a wing and a prayer, that they might come your way, so from what you’re saying they’re not resident, and not causing masses of damage regularly as they’re not resident so all you’re doing really is picking a scab that doesn’t need picking. Shoot them when you see them in daylight hours you don’t put too much pressure on the ground they’ll be there if they want to be there. It’s really not rocket science

Whatever happened to your addage : You do you and I will do me .

Basically if someone decides to use the licence thats their perogative, there's no one size fits all. Different areas , different species, different objectives.

Just crack on with whatever suits you.

 

[Hazlett]

Oh come off it NDS. You’re forever telling us about the length of your teeth and from your past posts, you have the problem of and are well aware of the issue of sanctuaries. You also are aware of the impact caused by large numbers/ high densities of fallow (or other herding spp) that are based/resident in woodlands/sanctuaries and that come onto neighbouring agricultural land for short periods of time. And you know that it doesn’t take many shots at all on that neighbouring land before they’ll only come back at night. Given the length of those teeth and your previous posts, we all know that you know that in these situations where the agricultural impact is high, it’s because there is ineffective shooting in the woodland or, obviously, the sanctuary.

So, what to do? Let the problem continue to build?

We know that herding spp need a landscape approach, so where there is land on which deer are having an impact and there is active deer management, are we really to decide to join the sanctuaries? Of course not – the fallow/other herding spp problem is down to multiple historic factors but not shooting enough does across the landscape is clearly something that needs to be addressed urgently.

So when someone who is intelligent, experienced, considered in his actions and is trying to contribute appropriately to an area with fallow problems, I think your reply to wytonpjs is somewhat impolite.

And, while I’m here, of the >250 fallow does that I have shot with NV, nearly all after hours under licence, I have had far more time to take the shot than in daylight hours, and I have had very few run more than 20m. The ones that have run further have been down to bullet deflection and still not needed any tracking. This idea that people will be taking crazy shots is just not realistic.

In my view, there won’t be a huge explosion in night shooting – it’s hard work and unless there is a really good reason for it, people won’t keep it up. As said many times in these multiple threads, it’s another option that is essential in certain circumstances. In others I just don’t believe people will be bothered to do it.

 

[kevtherev]

Night shooting not to everyone’s taste but I see it as another option if done properly and most of all safely.
I have heard of an area that cannot be shot during daylight hours due to public access and night shooting pretty much the only option to reduce numbers.
(Fallow & Muntjac)

 

[Ronin]

I've always said this but a lot of stalkers cant be honest , they like to manage deer

Manage is just a nicer word than kill .

Manage - tickle their ears

Pity people can’t simply admit they enjoy the hunt , the kill, the recovery and presenting animals for consumption

No point fluffing it up

 

[Christoff90]

I have a lot of fallow and muntjac over several pieces of ground and think to my self it would be great to level a load in the hours of night but takes the ‘sport’ out of it using thermals and nv! I have 3 golf courses that are littered with fallow and I will apply for said ground and will make good use of it as currently I have about 15 mins either end of the day to try and get on the deer there so the night license would help me out but I think that too many people will take the **** and end up shooting the roe to extinction and it will also change patterns for the deer throughout the seasons and make traditional stalking more difficult! In the right circumstances I 100% agree it will benefit in certain areas of the sport but I also argue the fact that it will ruin the sport with people taking the ‘****’ this may just be my opinion but im sure there will be people that agree

 

[Mike1979]

Manage - tickle their ears

Pity people can’t simply admit they enjoy the hunt , the kill, the recovery and presenting animals for consumption

No point fluffing it up

Sounds slightly daft but I dont enjoy the actual kill, its a necessary part. I love the challenge, the countryside, the unpredictable nature of stalking, all the cool stuff we get to see that others dont, the recovery (some times) and the gralloch etc. The bit I enjoy when I pull the trigger is a well placed shot and a quick and painless expiry of the animal.

As for the first part about tickling ears...well living in Wales I have plenty of animals that are fenced in for that

 

[Nickb]

Sounds slightly daft but I dont enjoy the actual kill, its a necessary part.

Come on be honest you love it

 

[VSS]

Come on be honest you love it

Why can't you just believe him?
It’s not neccessary to love, or even enjoy, killing things to be a successful hunter, or to enjoy hunting itself.
In fact, enjoyment or love of killing things would be a bit weird, to be honest!
It's just something we do. The culmination of the hunt and the start of the food production process (assuming that the quarry is to be eaten. Exception made for foxes, rats etc).

 

[Nickb]

It's just something we do.

Its not just something we do , you have to enjoy it or you wouldn't do it .......simple.

Hunters hunt because they love it , why else would you spend a fortune on gear and spend time outdoors in all weathers if you didn't enjoy it

Im off out now for a lamb killer in the wind and the rain because it needs sorting but I also love it.

I am an honest person pity others cant be , if you are ashamed you should give it up .

 

[kevtherev]

I think the enjoyment of hunting harks back to our hunter gatherer instincts.
Exactly the same as when you go on holiday and check the hotel perimeter

 

[Hazlett]

I'll add my name to the list of people who are both honest and who also do not enjoy the killing in itself. I kill for population management, food, pest control or welfare. Deer culling is primarily under population management (secondarily food) and I get pleasure out of making the right decision for species, sex and age and then from doing a good job of producing a carcass that I can process for home & direct sales.

 

[VSS]

Its not just something we do , you have to enjoy it or you wouldn't do it .......simple.

Hunters hunt because they love it , why else would you spend a fortune on gear and spend time outdoors in all weathers if you didn't enjoy it

Im off out now for a lamb killer in the wind and the rain because it needs sorting but I also love it.

I am an honest person pity others cant be , if you are ashamed you should give it up .

No.
You've got that wrong.
If killing things is what you enjoy there's no need to go out in the wind and the rain. You could just sit in your kitchen and pull the heads off chickens, and get your kick that way.
But what I think you're really trying to say is that you enjoy the hunt, get a thrill from outwitting your quarry, that buzz you get when it all comes together and the shot is on.
That doesn't mean that you have to enjoy killing things. The killing is just a part of what we do when we hunt. A very small part. And not everyone's favourite part. And you shouldn't think any the less of anyone for that.

 

[Jh1986]

Drifting way off topic, but the way I see it is this. It's not the kill I enjoy, it's the skillset and being pleased with a good job.

I qualify this by remembering the one time I arrived at a downed deer to find it immobile but wheezing. The shot had gone through both lungs but didn't appear to have expanded well enough.

Having to finish off with a knife was in no way enjoyable

 

[Tim.243]

Drifting way off topic, but the way I see it is this. It's not the kill I enjoy, it's the skillset and being pleased with a good job.

I qualify this by remembering the one time I arrived at a downed deer to find it immobile but wheezing. The shot had gone through both lungs but didn't appear to have expanded well enough.

Having to finish off with a knife was in no way enjoyable

Shoot them again at 10 yds as that would be my "best practice" as your sharp knife is just as effective on yourself if it goes wrong.
That is why you did you 10yd 3 rounds

 

[VSS]

your sharp knife is just as effective on yourself if it goes wrong.

Don't I just know it!