Can anyone identify this malform?

[Steyer 6.5]

This could be a case of gid (coenurus cerebralis0 which is an intermediate stage of a dog/fox tapeworm lodged in the brain. Velvet has the greatest concentration of nerve tissue in the body,which are branches of the trigeminal nerve. Trigeminal neuralgia in humans is called the suicide disease as it is so painful and defies treatment.Thus scratching etc could be an effort to relieve pain. Velvet with its massive blood supply is quite capable of replacing itself if damaged, unsteady on feet damage to velvet. Your specimen's velvet looks like granulation tissue to me Also some muntjac can remain in velvet for a prolonged period and this leads to slow calcification. Once thawed check if you can push a thick needle into the antlers at various points. Soft delayed; calcification.Also go over the skull pushing for a soft spot if found gid. Keep us posted.

in relation to this Morena would this render the carcass unfit asthe animal is not acting normal. Are you 100% on your findings and have yopu a link for further reading?

 

[Buchan]

in relation to this Morena would this render the carcass unfit asthe animal is not acting normal. Are you 100% on your findings and have yopu a link for further reading?

I've been wondering about this. The abnormal behaviour shouldn't in itself mean the carcass is unfit, just that the inspection has to be more thorough than usual. Gid shouldn't condemn it (Coenurus cerebralis is part of the lifecycle of Echinococcus granulosus and is only infectious to dogs and foxes, not humans) unless widespread. If the odd behaviour was infection, then this might (Listeriosis is one possibility) if the infection had spread. TikkaT3, can you recall if, when removing the head, you saw anything other than clear fluid from the spinal cord?

Shame you aren't nearer, I'd offer to have a look in the skull! It would be interesting if it was Gid, it's not usually seen beyond the Welsh Marches

 

[Triggermortis]

Hello Buchan,no, i can't say i noticed but then as i say, i am not a vastly experianced stalker and the colour of the spinal fluid was not mentioned when i did my DSC1 so i would not nessisarily be looking at it?
If there was an issue with the fluid, what coulour should i have been looking for? i take it something along the lines of white puss to indicate infection or even something slightly discouloured, maybe looking like the colour of lager or cooking oil?

If i was to come across this fluid in the future as an indicator of a problem, what action should i take?

Tikkat3

 

[nick100]

When we used to have sheep if it was gid, (we always presumed it was) they would walk as you say, in one direction but just round in a circle.
Sometimes with there head in the air. Quite often they would walk in to walls too.
Then again all they ever wanted to do was die.
Best looking sheep you see is on the plate.

 

[morena]

In answer to request from Steyer.6.5. You would need to check if the carcass was flushed ( ? Raised temperature: in which case condemned ) With information given can never be 100 % as never given complete picture.
Here is a short list of references: Anatomy of the Domestic Animals Sisson & Grossman
Wislocki & Singer. The occurrence and function of nerves in the growing antlers of deer. J.Comp.Neurol. 1946 85 1-16
Adams. Innervation and blood supply of the antler pedicle of the red deer. N.Z.Vet J. 1979 27 200-201
Woodbury & Haigh Innervation and anesthesia of the antler pedicle in wapiti and fallow deer. Western College of Vet Med, University of Saskatchwan
My own dissection of heads of Roe and Muntjac which I tried to get published but not being in a University or Research Institute rejected. First question asked. Only the stupid Vets go into practice
There are additional references throughout other papers if required some in German.

 

[Buchan]

Hello Buchan,no, i can't say i noticed but then as i say, i am not a vastly experianced stalker and the colour of the spinal fluid was not mentioned when i did my DSC1 so i would not nessisarily be looking at it?
If there was an issue with the fluid, what coulour should i have been looking for? i take it something along the lines of white puss to indicate infection or even something slightly discouloured, maybe looking like the colour of lager or cooking oil?

If i was to come across this fluid in the future as an indicator of a problem, what action should i take?

Tikkat3

CSF examination isn't part of DSC, but it is something I look at, almost out of habit (along with joint fluid). It should look like water but stickier. As you've said white pus - it would be cloudy appearance if abnormal. However it is a small quantity, so you'd have to be looking for it when removing the head. Even if it was cloudy, without other signs, it may not be specific.

I think with this one, if the carcass set and all LN were normal, it should be OK to eat.

 

[trouble]

I get one or two like that most years , usually i bit later in the summer than this . Mine are a bit darker than that are seem to be more crusty on the outside . The girlfriend has seen them in the past but nothing very big

 

[trouble]

+ 1 for mereside I would say chipolatsius humungus only found in a lesser known sub species of reeves muntjac aka (the chipper), probably found once or twice a year, very rare condition. best way to check would be to remove top half of the pedicle, lightly fry and hand to a person close by and enquire of the taste, if the taste is nearer to a seasoned pork the beast could have been 18 months old. any earlier than this the taste would be like a chipolata rather tasteless and no seasoning.

Providing the pedicles or upper antler are stored below 7 degrees and allowed to settle they can be quite delicious with a batch of wild mushrooms in a light sauce, be warned, only eat two peds mind

Phillip , are you sure ? i saw one last summer that was so bad a dog would gnaw it

 

[Overlay]

Phillip , are you sure ? i saw one last summer that was so bad a dog would gnaw it

All I can say is what the original thread writer told me, I would suggest you put that question to tikka t3.

End of thread as far as I am concerned

 

[big_dog]

Hi Tikka 3 was at a talk at bds south ayrshire .So you may try this .the royal (dick)school of veterinary studies.
the scottish deer project they may help.
professor j w simpson & MsAnna meredith
wildlife health scotland
Email Ann. Meredith@ed.ac uk.jsimpson@staffmail.ed.acuk

 

[204 Ruger]

I get one or two like that most years , usually i bit later in the summer than this . Mine are a bit darker than that are seem to be more crusty on the outside . The girlfriend has seen them in the past but nothing very big