Supplying venison

[sauer]

The AI view: Gifting to family requires no special permits, but selling—whether whole carcasses or jointed meat—requires food business registration and adherence to strict hygiene rules.

Honest John asks also can you give it to your neighbour skinned ?

Legally id say no but im not sure. . folk give people venison up and down country every day .

This was covered in another recent thread.... just remember just because no money changes hands . If you gift venison.. you are still liable

Paul

 

[maximus otter]

…one thing that was mentioned was that it doesn’t matter if you charge for the meat or if you give it away, you are “ supplying “, and as such you need to be registered.

No.

Here’s what the UK Food Standards Agency’s own website says:

1. Keeping wild game for private domestic consumption:

Wild game kept either for your own private domestic consumption or restricted to supply only to family and friends for their own private domestic consumption.

2. Applicable Food Hygiene Regulations and Competent Authority

Exempt from the scope of Food Hygiene Regulations (852/2004 and 853/2004)

3. Trained person status

Not required but encouraged

4. Food Business Registration with Local Authority

Registration as a food business is not required.

5. HACCP Plan

A Food Safety Management System (FSMS) based on Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP). Principles is not required.

6. Official record keeping and traceability

No, exempt from the scope of the General Food Law (178/2002).

Primary producers of wild game: requirements and exemptions

The food hygiene regulations regard hunting of wild game for human consumption as a primary production activity.

www.food.gov.uk

maximus otter

 

[HonestJohn]

Honest John asks also can you give it to your neighbour skinned ?

Legally id say no but im not sure. . folk give people venison up and down country every day .

This was covered in another recent thread.... just remember just because no money changes hands . If you gift venison.. you are still liable

Paul

Liable in what way Paul? Surely not for tax as it’s . Like, if you gave your neighbour a trout you caught, you wouldn’t declare it on your SA

 

[HonestJohn]

No.

Here’s what the UK Food Standards Agency’s own website says:

1. Keeping wild game for private domestic consumption:

Wild game kept either for your own private domestic consumption or restricted to supply only to family and friends for their own private domestic consumption.

2. Applicable Food Hygiene Regulations and Competent Authority

Exempt from the scope of Food Hygiene Regulations (852/2004 and 853/2004)

3. Trained person status

Not required but encouraged

4. Food Business Registration with Local Authority

Registration as a food business is not required.

5. HACCP Plan

A Food Safety Management System (FSMS) based on Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP). Principles is not required.

6. Official record keeping and traceability

No, exempt from the scope of the General Food Law (178/2002).

Primary producers of wild game: requirements and exemptions

The food hygiene regulations regard hunting of wild game for human consumption as a primary production activity.

www.food.gov.uk

maximus otter

Ok, so seemingly you can give venison to friends whether skinned or not

 

[wytonpjs]

 

[VSS]

Ok, so seemingly you can give venison to friends whether skinned or not

The extract from the FSA guidance posted by @maximus otter refers to "wild game" (ie, in-skin carcasses), NOT "wild game meat" (ie, skinned carcasses or butchered game).
The bit about supplying wild game meat comes further down the document.
It is important for anyone reading the FSA guidance to understand the difference between wild game and wild game meat, otherwise they are quite likely to misinterpret it. As you have just done.

 

[sauer]

Liable in what way Paul? Surely not for tax as it’s . Like, if you gave your neighbour a trout you caught, you wouldn’t declare it on your SA

Liable ...if they become ill thru eating meat you provided ... doesnt matter if no money changes hands or was meant as a gift

Legally ypur responsible
.
Can't remember the thread but was just last wee while

Paul.

 

[maximus otter]

The extract from the FSA guidance posted by @maximus otter refers to "wild game" (ie, in-skin carcasses), NOT "wild game meat" (ie, skinned carcasses or butchered game).
The bit about supplying wild game meat comes further down the document.
It is important for anyone reading the FSA guidance to understand the difference between wild game and wild game meat, otherwise they are quite likely to misinterpret it. As you have just done.

2.1 Primary production for private domestic consumption​

If you hunt, prepare, handle or store wild game for your own private domestic use, you are exempt from the general principles and requirements of food law and procedures in matters of food safety, as set out in Article 1(3), as well as from the general requirements for the hygiene of foodstuffs applying to all food businesses and the specific hygiene rules applying to businesses producing food of animal origin, as set out in Article 1(2)(a) and Article 1(3)(a) respectively.

Private domestic use refers to the personal preparation, handling, storage and consumption of hunted wild game, with any supply restricted to family and friends for their own private domestic consumption only. You are not required to register as a food business with your LA but you are encouraged to contact them to ensure you are eligible for this exemption.

Exemption summary:

• you are exempt from the scope of the above-mentioned regulations.
• you are not required to be registered or approved.

To be eligible for this exemption the wild game you hunt must only be kept for your own private domestic consumption, or that of your family and friends.

Primary producers of wild game: requirements and exemptions

The food hygiene regulations regard hunting of wild game for human consumption as a primary production activity.

www.food.gov.uk

One acquaintance to whom l supply the occasional haunch is in his eighties and registered blind. The reading of the rules that you suggest would indicate that l could only supply him with an entire carcass - not even gralloched - by carrying it to him for a 2-hour-long (minimum) recovery & drive in my unchilled family car. I’m sure that we can agree that that wouldn’t be calculated to preserve public health.

maximus otter

 

[Grand Slam]

The extract from the FSA guidance posted by @maximus otter refers to "wild game" (ie, in-skin carcasses), NOT "wild game meat" (ie, skinned carcasses or butchered game).
The bit about supplying wild game meat comes further down the document.
It is important for anyone reading the FSA guidance to understand the difference between wild game and wild game meat, otherwise they are quite likely to misinterpret it. As you have just done.

Good point raised above – and it’s exactly why the FSA guidance needs reading very carefully.

The document isn’t as straightforward as it first appears. For example, it treats evisceration as part of primary production in one section, but elsewhere uses it as the point at which an animal becomes “wild game meat.” That’s an easy nuance to miss.

The takeaway is that how and why you’re handling the carcass matters just as much as what you’re doing, particularly if you’re supplying meat to others.

Well worth taking the time to read it properly so you stay on the right side of the regs when supplying venison locally.

Referenced Below :

The hunting, killing, subsequent transport, storage, and handling of wild game at the place of production are considered to be within the scope of primary production, provided they do not substantially alter the nature of the wild game. Certain handling activities conducted at the place of production, including evisceration, and in the case of large wild game the bleeding, removal of the head and viscera, are considered to be within the scope of primary production.

Later in the guidance:

Wild game becomes wild game meat when it undergoes any further preparation (e.g. evisceration, skinning and/or plucking).

 

[Grand Slam]

2.1 Primary production for private domestic consumption​

If you hunt, prepare, handle or store wild game for your own private domestic use, you are exempt from the general principles and requirements of food law and procedures in matters of food safety, as set out in Article 1(3), as well as from the general requirements for the hygiene of foodstuffs applying to all food businesses and the specific hygiene rules applying to businesses producing food of animal origin, as set out in Article 1(2)(a) and Article 1(3)(a) respectively.

Private domestic use refers to the personal preparation, handling, storage and consumption of hunted wild game, with any supply restricted to family and friends for their own private domestic consumption only. You are not required to register as a food business with your LA but you are encouraged to contact them to ensure you are eligible for this exemption.

Exemption summary:

• you are exempt from the scope of the above-mentioned regulations.
• you are not required to be registered or approved.

To be eligible for this exemption the wild game you hunt must only be kept for your own private domestic consumption, or that of your family and friends.

Primary producers of wild game: requirements and exemptions

The food hygiene regulations regard hunting of wild game for human consumption as a primary production activity.

www.food.gov.uk

One acquaintance to whom l supply the occasional haunch is in his eighties and registered blind. The reading of the rules that you suggest would indicate that l could only supply him with an entire carcass - not even gralloched - by carrying it to him for a 2-hour-long (minimum) recovery & drive in my unchilled family car. I’m sure that we can agree that that wouldn’t be calculated to preserve public health.

maximus otter

As soon as the skin is removed it is no longer wild game. It becomes wild game meat which requires registration as a food business.

 

[maximus otter]

As soon as the skin is removed it is no longer wild game. It becomes wild game meat which requires registration as a food business.

We disagree on the interpretation of the word “prepare” in the FSA guidelines l have quoted.

maximus otter

 

[Grand Slam]

We disagree on the interpretation of the word “prepare” in the FSA guidelines l have quoted.

maximus otter

Have you reached out to your LA to seek their guidance on as it encouraged to check you are eligible for the excemption?

Would save any confusion then I suppose.

 

[maximus otter]

Have you reached out to your LA to seek their guidance on as it encouraged to check you are eligible for the excemption?

Would save any confusion then I suppose.

I’ve read their website, l’m confident that l understand it, and l’m disinclined to “put my head above the parapet”, to be harassed for what’s left of my life by some 14-year old vegan Guardian reader whose wages l’m paying.

To me, the language of the website is clear.

maximus otter

 

[HonestJohn]

Liable ...if they become ill thru eating meat you provided ... doesnt matter if no money changes hands or was meant as a gift

Legally ypur responsible
.
Can't remember the thread but was just last wee while

Paul.

Ok

 

[timbrayford]

The fly in the ointment with any regulation that has exemptions is the random public sector jobsworth that turns up uninvited and knows less about the matter than you do!

 

[Making holes in things]

Well I'll be dambed, looks like i got it wrong again and I'm breaking regulations when I give any away

I wonder what would happen should a friend take some on his way out, while you were busy doing something else somewhere else in the house. Surely that is not "supplying" ? As for theft if asked where it went, you can not say who took it therefore can not point a finger.

 

[Bo Diddley]

I wonder what would happen should a friend take some on his way out, while you were busy doing something else somewhere else in the house. Surely that is not "supplying" ? As for theft if asked where it went, you can not say who took it therefore can not point a finger.

TBF, I'm a bit of a rebel, my mother must have slept with a French farmer because I have their attitude to silly rules and regulations, nod and say "Oui, oui", then carry on regardless.
Heck, I've eaten roadkill deer not so long ago with no ill effect. I'm pretty meticulous with the care of the carcass .