🪮 Combination gun.

[Emsland]

The FAIR combination gun is heavy but well-balanced. The best thing about a combination gun is that it is excellent when it comes to travelling on a light aircraft. It is so easy to store.

One time I went to a wilderness area and I flew there on a float plane. I took a Brno combination gun with me View attachment 479794

Eben-Ebenau, a well-known German PH in Canada, ordered after years in the Canadian bush a combined rifle in 9,3x74R + 12/76, together with an additional short barrel in .22 lr for the 12/76.

 

[Emsland]

I did actually ask the OP Putting the romance to one side, I also start out with the intention to make a first time "kill" but in the real world it is far different as your timing only need to be a fraction off and the "bird" is chipped and need a second barrel which is not being "greedy" it is called percentage's also the humane part is large factor.
The real world is we load are stalking rifles with more than one round and our shotguns be it a sxs O-U or auto again with more than one round.
Very few darts matches are won with 9 darts and in snooker 147's also we will loose to Germany in a penalty shootout.

I agree with you, but from my own experience I can tell that normally you have enough time to put another cartridge if needed.

 

[Smellydog]

I did actually ask the OP Putting the romance to one side, I also start out with the intention to make a first time "kill" but in the real world it is far different as your timing only need to be a fraction off and the "bird" is chipped and need a second barrel which is not being "greedy" it is called percentage's also the humane part is large factor.
The real world is we load are stalking rifles with more than one round and our shotguns be it a sxs O-U or auto again with more than one round.
Very few darts matches are won with 9 darts and in snooker 147's also we will loose to Germany in a penalty shootout.

I've seen plenty birds missed with the first barrel and then clipped with the second!
Then what o masterful all knowledgeable?

 

[Tim.243]

I agree with you, but from my own experience I can tell that normally you have enough time to put another cartridge if needed.

I accept your experience's, however with it being a combination gun when the OP spoke about "grouse" being a second quarry I will beg to differ the speed of loading a second cartridge in time to pull through a bird on the wing with a second shot is very little.
I am sure people like them which is fine but from what I have pointed out there will/is a longer time lag as deer/birds mover much faster than we can reload.

 

[Rafter]

Send in the dog.

 

[Emsland]

I accept your experience's, however with it being a combination gun when the OP spoke about "grouse" being a second quarry I will beg to differ the speed of loading a second cartridge in time to pull through a bird on the wing with a second shot is very little.
I am sure people like them which is fine but from what I have pointed out there will/is a longer time lag as deer/birds mover much faster than we can reload.

I am 100% with you. For shooting it would be a poor choice. I was more thinking about stalking.

 

[Smellydog]

I accept your experience's, however with it being a combination gun when the OP spoke about "grouse" being a second quarry I will beg to differ the speed of loading a second cartridge in time to pull through a bird on the wing with a second shot is very little.
I am sure people like them which is fine but from what I have pointed out there will/is a longer time lag as deer/birds mover much faster than we can reload.

Once again, typical narrow minded England.

The OP is from Canada.
How they hunt grouse and their few species of is different than a grouse moor.
Some species are simply picked from a tree like a cherry.

The more you spout the more foolish you look.

 

[Rafter]

Once again, typical narrow minded England.

The OP is from Canada.
How they hunt grouse and their few species of is different than a grouse moor.
Some species are simply picked from a tree like a cherry.

The more you spout the more foolish you look.

I don't think he could look more foolish.

I've been wrong in the past though, and Tim is special

 

[RCS Deer Management]

I did actually ask the OP Putting the romance to one side, I also start out with the intention to make a first time "kill" but in the real world it is far different as your timing only need to be a fraction off and the "bird" is chipped and need a second barrel which is not being "greedy" it is called percentage's also the humane part is large factor.
The real world is we load are stalking rifles with more than one round and our shotguns be it a sxs O-U or auto again with more than one round.
Very few darts matches are won with 9 darts and in snooker 147's also we will loose to Germany in a penalty shootout.

If you miss a bird with your first shot in your o/u do you take another shot at it with your second barrel? What happens if you wound it with that second barrel and you don’t have another shot to finish the bird off?

 

[Tim.243]

If you miss a bird with your first shot in your o/u do you take another shot at it with your second barrel? What happens if you wound it with that second barrel and you don’t have another shot to finish the bird off?

Just the same as yourself wounding a deer with the first shot and having a miss fire with the second, with 2 barrels you can follow up right away as there is no lag time loading a second round.
I did post so please include that.
The real world is we load are stalking rifles with more than one round and our shotguns be it a sxs O-U or auto again

 

[Tim.243]

I don't think he could look more foolish.

I've been wrong in the past though, and Tim is special

While you are one line, what happened to your comment which was removed when you used a comment about what we call
"special needs" children these day. However your description is something that is from an era when people knew no better.
Is it in your daily rhetoric to describe children in that way...as you found out that is not shared by many.
Did you want to explain why you used it or find an excuse ?

 

[Tim.243]

Once again, typical narrow minded England.

The OP is from Canada.
How they hunt grouse and their few species of is different than a grouse moor.
Some species are simply picked from a tree like a cherry.

The more you spout the more foolish you look.

I see where he is from, however even you have a double relic for a quick second shot..

 

[Tim.243]

I've seen plenty birds missed with the first barrel and then clipped with the second!
Then what o masterful all knowledgeable?

Yes and I have seen you miss/wound geese with your bp double

 

[Rafter]

While you are one line, what happened to your comment which was removed when you used a comment about what we call
"special needs" children these day. However your description is something that is from an era when people knew no better.
Is it in your daily rhetoric to describe children in that way...as you found out that is not shared by many.
Did you want to explain why you used it or find an excuse ?

Wtf are you talking about? If I insulted a child when I was talking about your dissociation from reality, then I'll happily apologize to that child.
You, not so much.

 

[Tim.243]

Wtf are you talking about? If I insulted a child when I was talking about your dissociation from reality, then I'll happily apologize to that child.
You, not so much.

So where did you post go? As admin removed it

 

[Rafter]

Tim.
You are a fool, and if I insulted anyone else when I was referring to you, then I am sorry for that.
Clear enough? I must admit that I dont recall exactly the comment that you so gleefully say has been removed, but for clarity - I think you are a small minded buffoon, and only read your comments for the laughs you provide. Any offense caused to anyone other than you by my insulting of you, I regret.

 

[Tim.243]

Tim.
You are a fool, and if I insulted anyone else when I was referring to you, then I am sorry for that.
Clear enough? I must admit that I dont recall exactly the comment that you so gleefully say has been removed, but for clarity - I think you are a small minded buffoon, and only read your comments for the laughs you provide. Any offense caused to anyone other than you by my insulting of you, I regret.

That is what I expected you to say, what is best is you stick to poking at me (which you can by all means)
But don't lower your self by dragging children into a way of getting at me, it was in the Bow thread as you seem to have forgot.

In a way it is good you have forgotten as hopefully you won't use it again.

 

[enfieldspares]

With just the one chance with either barrel what happens in the event you need that second shot? Or with birds (a pair)

I think as a "keeper's gun" than the one shot barrel, one rifle barrel works. I have had and used a BRNO 20 bore over .223 Remington such gun. It works. As a "hunter's gun" where the main game will be winged game then the traditional three barrel drilling or two shot and one rifle barrel is better.

And on the continent what they hunt and how they hunt it is not always the same as we do. For of course, as "any fule kno" said Molesworth for driven wild boar or driven deer those two shot barrels can be loaded with rifled slug or with buckshot. Or a mix of one of each. Three quick shots then are available.

In respect of the single rifle barrel on drive wild boar there is usually in any case not enough time for a second shot on the same animal with a conventional bolt action rifle. A slug or buckshot loaded shot barrel gives that second shot if conditions make it a usable choice.

I've seen people reload a bolt action slower than someone with a single shot!

I reloaded my BA13 faster than a friend reloaded his m96 mauser.

And this above is also correct. An break action single shot rifle with ejector mechanism is often faster to reload than a bolt action magazine fed weapon in the hands of someone using correct technique.

 

[Tim.243]

I think as a "keeper's gun" than the one shot barrel, one rifle barrel works. I have had and used a BRNO 20 bore over .223 Remington such gun. It works. As a "hunter's gun" then the traditonal three barrel drilling or two shot and one rifle barrel is better. I think that it depends on what is the main intent and also that on the continent what they hunt and how they hunt it is not the same as we do. In respect of the single rifle barrel on drive wild boar there is usually in any case not enough time for a second shot on the same animal with a conventional bolt action rifle.

Yes I get that part, and people do use them to great affect, also seen the 3 combo Sharps?
My keepers gun is a single folding 4-10 which as like you keep it for sentimental reasons as it was Dads, I had it with me every day when I checked the birds in a 3 years season, set some snares the other week caught a fox loaded the single shot 4-10 pulled the trigger (click miss-fire)
Had Granddad brought Dad a double I would have used the other trigger lol

 

[KimE]

I accept your experience's, however with it being a combination gun when the OP spoke about "grouse" being a second quarry I will beg to differ the speed of loading a second cartridge in time to pull through a bird on the wing with a second shot is very little.
I am sure people like them which is fine but from what I have pointed out there will/is a longer time lag as deer/birds mover much faster than we can reload.

I have shot a flying blackgrouse with my 12g/222r(my brother are more effective with his semiauto 12g)