BBC at its finest....

[TringSaint]

Tell your grandkids, they’re the ones who’ll need to know it ain’t the CO2 that grandpa waffles on about.

Pliny referred to it, as do the seashells of a certain vintage, but don’t let that concern you either. Watch what happens when the days begin to stretch

Sorry, when did this happen? How can ‘seashells’ tell you that this occurred??

And this is Pliny who thought a cure for a headache was to tie a woman’s breast bandage around his head, or advised a pregnant woman that if she wanted her baby to have black eyes then she had to eat a shrew! Let’s all be honest here - Pliny was batsh!t crazy!!

 

[Freeforester]

No, what I mean is, by using known science, like the laws of thermodynamics (which is what is at play here predominantly), explain why all of the human activity is having zero effect, yet some mysterious other ‘thing’ is the actual cause.

Unless you can demonstrate where all of that co2 and energy is coming from, by using actual real science, then your argument is based on fiction.

Put it in bullet points to make it clear for everyone the basis of your argument, clearly identifying what the cause is, how it manifests in our atmosphere and why all other possible causes are irrelevant, and then we can all see if it stacks up.
That’s easy, isn’t it?

Go on, humour me!

The science is all known and referred to, it is apparent that it is not known nor understood by you though, and your inability to read or view and thereby learn is your weakness. As you don’t pay any attention to any of it when presented to you bit by bit, logically there would be little point in putting your clearly limited attention span and inability to grasp concepts and proven science beyond your ken under further stress.

I understand your concern over how you may now find that your degree was based in junk science, along with your inability to come to terms with the bald facts as explained by finer minds, inability to grasp the finer points of radiative transfer, differentiating between what Pliny recorded and what he read, and subsequently chronicled, etc. I’m equally sure you aren’t up on polar reversal any more than sub oceanic magnetistratigraphy, the Apollo mission’s raison d’être, along with most of the other aspects which, via observation and testing and verifying form a cogent explanation as to what is going on in the world around you; your continual whining plea for attention and failure to comprehend that any explanation on your terms would be quite an otiose exercise given the aforementioned and continually demonstrated lack of capacity to understand, though of course you clearly cannot discern this, so best you just simply carry on with the BBC, and try to wean yourself off your obsession with demanding of others to explain to you, a 50 something year old grown man-child with regrettably obvious learning difficulties, which alas appear to be chronic to advancing in your case.

Best you stay blissful, and leave the proper science to those who you can’t fathom, stick with your world of pseudoscience and ideology. The red herring after all, was and is meant specifically for chappies like you.

 

[Smellydog]

To be fair the climate change fear narrative has gripped many.

 

[Freeforester]

To be fair the climate change fear narrative has gripped many.

And blinded them to scientific progress and developments, somewhat akin to Fukuyama’s ‘End of History’ nonsense.

 

[Smellydog]

And blinded them to scientific progress and developments, somewhat akin to Fukuyama’s ‘End of History’ nonsense.

Fcukyou who, white boy...?

 

[TringSaint]

To be fair the climate change fear narrative has gripped many.

It’s not a fear narrative. This planet will be absolutely fine.
It’s us and other flora and fauna that will struggle, whilst others thrive.

You bark on about net zero costing huge sums, but are you aware that your insurance policies are now going up because of the risks associated with climate change?
Your food is also more expensive, and your clothes if they are made of natural fibres.
Coffee, chocolate, wine and olive oil are going up because of crop failures.
The cost of construction is going up too as planners insist on buildings being raised to prevent flooding.

All of this is real and as a direct consequence of what is happening.

But I guess that paying more because of your own actions sits perfectly well with you? Yes?

 

[TringSaint]

And blinded them to scientific progress and developments, somewhat akin to Fukuyama’s ‘End of History’ nonsense.

Have you been at the cough medicine again?
Where do your take this garbage up from? Is there a conspiracy theorists internet page where all of the crack pot pseudoscience experts post their ‘findings’?

Show me the peer reviews? Oh, they don’t exist? Well I never!

Still, you continually fail to answer direct questions, so let me list them again:

1: if the co2 that is being created isn’t coming from human activity, then where is it coming from (please provide real evidence)
2: you claim that the world used to spin the other way - when was this? Also, please provide the scientific explanation as to how a planet weighing 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tonnes had its rotation of some 1040mph stopped and reversed and then stopped again and reversed once more?
3: what has any of this got to do with snail shells and Pliny?
4: using known scientific explanations (like the laws of thermodynamics, force, chemistry, etc that are accepted globally) explain why our planet is warming at a rate that is faster than ever recorded and is outstripping evolution which, unless you are a creationist, is how we all got here in the first place?

I await your 4 responses with great interest.

Thanks

 

[shakey jake]

Have you been at the cough medicine again?
Where do your take this garbage up from? Is there a conspiracy theorists internet page where all of the crack pot pseudoscience experts post their ‘findings’?

Show me the peer reviews? Oh, they don’t exist? Well I never!

Still, you continually fail to answer direct questions, so let me list them again:

1: if the co2 that is being created isn’t coming from human activity, then where is it coming from (please provide real evidence)
2: you claim that the world used to spin the other way - when was this? Also, please provide the scientific explanation as to how a planet weighing 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tonnes had its rotation of some 1040mph stopped and reversed and then stopped again and reversed once more?
3: what has any of this got to do with snail shells and Pliny?
4: using known scientific explanations (like the laws of thermodynamics, force, chemistry, etc that are accepted globally) explain why our planet is warming at a rate that is faster than ever recorded and is outstripping evolution which, unless you are a creationist, is how we all got here in the first place?

I await your 4 responses with great interest.

Thanks

Point 2 can you imagine the wave that would be generated if the world stoped?
I doubt any part of the uk wouldnt have been swamped.
Then to have it happen again!

 

[Apthorpe]

What I don’t get is apparently the increased co2 prevents the radiant heat from leaving but surely that would also stop the radiant heat from the sun getting here equally ?

It doesn't. Excuse me if thisnsimplifies it to a patronising degree but I hope it will clarify. All of this happens with electro-magnetic radiation. This is a spectrum running from gamma radiation and x-rays, via UV and visible light through infra red to microwavesnand radiowaves. All those are essentially the same thing with different frequencies. A piece of red light only differels from a piece of blue light or an X ray by the frequency of its waves....higher frequency=more waves oer second therefore more energy.
The sunlight hitting the earth has different frequencies to the IR radiated heat which the earth gives off having been heated by sunlight.
In exactly the same way, when you are out in the sun, the extra heat given off by your skin is a different frequency to the sun....the UV causing sunburn is not then emitted by sunburned skin - IR is.
Or a shooting related example. If you have a thermal sight, the radiation (IR) which goes into the sight is a different wavelength to the visible light emitted from the scope to your eye.

Seems a little cotradictory to me ?

But I don’t have a first class honours degree in climate change…..

 

[tackb]

It doesn't. Excuse me if thisnsimplifies it to a patronising degree but I hope it will clarify. All of this happens with electro-magnetic radiation. This is a spectrum running from gamma radiation and x-rays, via UV and visible light through infra red to microwavesnand radiowaves. All those are essentially the same thing with different frequencies. A piece of red light only differels from a piece of blue light or an X ray by the frequency of its waves....higher frequency=more waves oer second therefore more energy.
The sunlight hitting the earth has different frequencies to the IR radiated heat which the earth gives off having been heated by sunlight.
In exactly the same way, when you are out in the sun, the extra heat given off by your skin is a different frequency to the sun....the UV causing sunburn is not then emitted by sunburned skin - IR is.
Or a shooting related example. If you have a thermal sight, the radiation (IR) which goes into the sight is a different wavelength to the visible light emitted from the scope to your eye.

thank you for that , it's a little clearer now

i still think the climate 'emergency' is a massive scam though

 

[Apthorpe]

What other natural sources of co2 are you referring to?

Volcanoes produce 1/270th of the co2 that we do, and there is NO OTHER natural source of co2 in our atmosphere or planet.

Unbelievable. If you get near an animal anytime soon, have a look at it breathing and then spend five seconds thinking.

So it has to be us!

What I find funny, is that all of the climate change deniers continually poke holes in real science by promoting other wacky theories which are totally baseless. Yet, when you ask them what’s the cause, all you get is ….. SILENCE!

That’s the thing - you trash the real stuff but have no explanation that can be proven to be the cause. It’s all conjecture and subterfuge to try and divert people away from reality.

It’s all BS!

The problem is that a lot of what is put out by climate activists is also BS, including some of your output above.

And you suck it up, not because you are stupid, but because to actually concede that we are the problem is painful for some people to accept, and that acceptance might mean you have to change, and change terrifies some people.

It should do, because the most certain way of reducing carbon emissions is by killing people. Given that carbon emissions apparently represent the largest exidtential threat to humanity, then scientifically one cannot avoid the fact that the quickest and most effective way to mitigate this threat is to get rid of very large numbers of people. Ethically, if one accepts the veracity of what climate activists tell us, such an outrageous policy is unimpeachable.
Do you agree? Or do you think that perhaps some of what you call the "real science" might have overegged it a bit and failed to take account of some possible factors?

At the end of the day, the forces involved in climate change dwarf anything you or I can do,

At the end the day, these forces were created by human activity and therefore can equally be countermanded by human activity

but we can make a difference if we want to, so you either get on the bus and try to reduce your impact or buckle up for a bumpy ride, as it’s only going to get worse from here on in!!

Actually, if you get on a bus you're more likely to be exacerbating the problem than reducing your impact.

Take your pick!

 

[Freeforester]

Imagine where the heat came from to drive sufficient water up into the sky ( and create orbiting comets, the composition of which we already know, but park this) to cause 5 miles worth of snow to fall and turn into a mile of ice above New York ( they worked this one out years ago, well before Tringy was star pupil), abd connect the widespread presence of ‘glass’ microspherules containing tell-take radioactive isotope tracks contemporaneous with their origin, which have also been found within many tested samples of extinct mammoth ivory and bones?

Fun fact — none of these occurrences matter or even exist in the gospel book of St Tring…

 

[TringSaint]

Point 2 can you imagine the wave that would be generated if the world stoped?
I doubt any part of the uk wouldnt have been swamped.
Then to have it happen again!

I know! The physics around stopping a body with that mass going at that speed would be phenomenal (the web says it would need 11,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 newtons of force applied to the equator, which interestingly is billions of times greater than the gravitational pull between the earth and the sun).
And to get it going again would need even more.

I know that some ppl believe in god and all that, but even he would need to be doing some serious gym work to do it.

 

[TringSaint]

View attachment 483664
View attachment 483665
Imagine where the heat came from to drive sufficient water up into the sky ( and create orbiting comets, the composition of which we already know, but park this) to cause 5 miles worth of snow to fall and turn into a mile of ice above New York ( they worked this one out years ago, well before Tringy was star pupil), abd connect the widespread presence of ‘glass’ microspherules containing tell-take radioactive isotope tracks contemporaneous with their origin, which have also been found within many tested samples of extinct mammoth ivory and bones?

Fun fact — none of these occurrences matter or even exist in the gospel book of St Tring…

Well, yet again we end up a a stalemate as you won’t accept what I say (or what you can see with you own eyes, which is more worrying), and I sure as hell won’t buy into your theories.

All I can do, then, is to wish you and all the other climate change deniers a safe future, and hope that you don’t live near to a river or forest and have plenty of money set aside for the increased cost of living that will occur as our planet warms up.

Can i also suggest stockpiling the things that you like but are at risk of a changing climate?

Let’s just hope that nasal bot and warble fly stays where they are and we keep our deer clear of all those nasties down here.

Enjoy!

 

[Freeforester]

Point 2 can you imagine the wave that would be generated if the world stoped?
I doubt any part of the uk wouldnt have been swamped.
Then to have it happen again!

Indeed Shakey, now look at the evidence for same. It’s all waiting for you, and not just the biblical description.

About 22 minutes in and beyond for the aspect that you are interested in, below ( the wave and subsequent flood). Great what 47 years of patient research into earnest research of others can uncover, Doug wasn’t a boffin, much less a star graduate of climate (pseudo)science, just an accountant but with an enquiring mind. The US government changed tack after splurging countless billions of dollars on their counter strategy (- why would they even do this if it’s all nonsense) some three weeks after he pointed out the monumental error they had made (- why would they do that? Isn’t it all nonsense, as Mr String fellow claims it to be? They should have him re-educating them!). Their initial response to his findings was not “you are nuts”, but rather “How did you figure it all out?” - they’d been trying to piece it all together also, for years.



Of course if you like or prefer red herrings, then simply ignore all the evidence and stop burning stuff that makes CO2, give all your hard earned to Ed Miliband and his merry men, and all will be well!




Some pictures from the long destroyed ancient site of Tanis, Egypt (begins around 1:11 in):


By the way, the last time the world changed direction of spin (see Nr 173 again) ‘the wave’ came from the direction of China, so there was an awful lot of land for it to cross before it got here, and the devastation was not quite on the same level, but the incoming one will be from the West, ie the Atlantic..

Next time you’re up North, consider the hilltops of Scotland which today exhibit rocks melted together ( at least 35 known outcrops currently exposed), and note their aspect: ask yourself, how did those ‘clever Picts’ melt the rocks together all from the same direction, all at the same time, without WhatsApp or Facebook to co-ordinate the whole show, and weren’t they supposed to be warring tribes anyway?


A glimmer of light, at last, or is it at first?

 

[TringSaint]

“By the way, the last time the world changed direction of spin (see Nr 173 again) ‘the wave’ came from the direction of China, so there was an awful lot of land for it to cross before it got here, and the devastation was not quite on the same level, but the incoming one will be from the West, ie the Atlantic”

If the planet stopped then the ‘wave’ as you call is wouldn’t start in any one place. The planet is not flat and set out in a long rectangle, it’s a sphere. So if you stop it moving then all mass stops at the same time and rotational energy is transferred to anything not fixed to the ground - every animal and all water would be simultaneously thrown in the original direction of travel at around 1000mph.

I think we can all agree that if thy happened then all life would be extinct and every landmass would be under a colossal tidal wave which would continue until the energy had dissipated.

Given the impact of the tsunami at Fukushima which was a few metres high and the damage that caused, these waves would be so bit they would destroy everything in their paths.

But, again, when did this happen? Before the dinosaurs or after?

 

[Apthorpe]

“By the way, the last time the world changed direction of spin (see Nr 173 again) ‘the wave’ came from the direction of China, so there was an awful lot of land for it to cross before it got here, and the devastation was not quite on the same level, but the incoming one will be from the West, ie the Atlantic”

If the planet stopped then the ‘wave’ as you call is wouldn’t start in any one place. The planet is not flat and set out in a long rectangle, it’s a sphere. So if you stop it moving then all mass stops at the same time and rotational energy is transferred to anything not fixed to the ground - every animal and all water would be simultaneously thrown in the original direction of travel at around 1000mph.

Scientifically illiterate

I think we can all agree that if thy happened then all life would be extinct and every landmass would be under a colossal tidal wave which would continue until the energy had dissipated.

What absolute nonsense!

Given the impact of the tsunami at Fukushima which was a few metres high and the damage that caused, these waves would be so bit they would destroy everything in their paths.

But, again, when did this happen? Before the dinosaurs or after?

 

[Mike1979]

This is almost as bad as the lead ban debate....round and round in circles we go...but fair play to you guys for having the patience to post the retorts

 

[Freeforester]

4.5K views · 333 reactions | Climate Data Revealed | Electroverse

Climate Data Revealed

www.facebook.com

 

[Scarpa]

Are people getting confused with earth core rotation reversal rather than the entire earth plus mantle changing?