Scots_stalker
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hey i like the post lol
airgun ban in scotland within months
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hey i like the post lol
pilgrimmick
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The basic problem that the politicians seem to miss, is that criminals do not obey the law! Bringing in new laws does not bother them, it just adds to the cost/workload/knowledge required to enforce!
bobthedug
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I have read through all the previous posts on this subject and it appears that I am one of "they" you are distgusted by.
You can imagine all you want about about supporting a hunting ban to "get the nasty hare coursers" but it is fortunately only in your imagination.
As far as the "I'm all right jack attitude" you mention, I'm still trying to work out how you come to that conclusion.
My opinions on a "tightening up" air gun ownership is based on an almost weekly basis of responding to reports of incidents involving airguns.
These incidents are recorded and the figures will be the same ones used by the Politicians when they impose a restrictive, unworkable, unfair law which will affect those of us who obey he law.
Like a great number of us on here, I started off with airguns at a very early age and still shoot them to this day.
The politicians will respond to public pressure which is brought upon them by the same public who are experiencing and complaining about the very same incidents I refer to.
Chanty Wrassler
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-17812288
More ammo for antis, unfortunately
More ammo for antis, unfortunately
I think most of us are anti-shooting-pet-cats-in-the-chest-with-an-airgun, aren't we? I think the activity is in any case unlawful.
to what end would anyone being practicing with a crossbow for ? you cant hunt animals or birds with one and crossbow shooting isnt an olympic sport unlike the longbow . As for hunting with dogs i have some rather usefull terriers and a lurcherEver heard of target practice????????????
You know, the skill of placing that bolt or arrow accurately on the target at the range of your choice????????
Next you are going to say you have never heard of approved archery clubs with their very own crossbow section ?????????
Talk about all shooters sticking together for the good of ALL shooting sports
I'm alright jack - as long as they leave my centre fire rifles alone all the other shooting sports can be banned as long as I care....................... Have we learned anything since the two Marches in London???????
Rake Aboot
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Bob, if the hat fits mate !
All shooting sports should be supporting each other, full stop. Being a Police officer does not mean you should not, just because your Chief Constable has political ambitions does not mean he or she is correct.
And believe me, it is not just in my imagination, whether you say so or not.
The I`m all right jack startement derives from people who still have there sport unthreatened so have no concern about other peoples.
bewsher500
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because they want to?
last time I looked we lived in "free" country.
If I want to build a potato cannon in my back yard...why shouldn't I be able to?
pilgrimmick
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Bewsher500
Had a great spud gun, made with some gas pipe, could fire a fist sized spud over 100yards, probably required, by the nanny state, to go on my FAC though.
Had a great spud gun, made with some gas pipe, could fire a fist sized spud over 100yards, probably required, by the nanny state, to go on my FAC though.
Tamus
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We did a 50mm pipe spud-gun once, that was good for about 100yds on Oxy-Acetylene. Don't think it was a "lethal barreled weapon" though. So, I doubt if it was worthy of an FAC variation/application... it could fairly sting at 5yds though ..... instant cadbury's smash.
On the other hand that compressed-air monster cannon of Anish Kapoor's, at Tate Modern, a couple of years back was a definite candidate and didn't they just go all coy, when I emailed them and asked how they got FAC approval. Incidentally, one of my shooting acquaintances is a certain Sheriff QC, he declared it a "prima facie" "lethal-barreled-weapon" and no mistake.
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In the village where I live, there is a drinking club called 'The Rifle Club'. It was a miniature rifle club in times when .22 rimfire were considered as insignificant as pea shooters. The Youth of then were no better behaved than the youth of today, as they walked , uncontested by the police between the club and their homes, with their uncovered guns.
There were two world wars where members of this club, also members of the Territorials went to fight all over the world, their skills learnt in the village defending an empire.
It is to be expected that in a culture where I am not allowed to use a step ladder at work or wear shorts, where roads that I and others happily and safely drove at 60mph in cars inferior, safety wise, to those today, that are now limitted to 40mph, that firearms will be seen as dangerous articles.
However it breaks my heart to see people who have grown up with guns, agree with legislation that will prevent other up and coming people, ever have any contact with the sporting use of firearms.
I think there is an inbuilt hunter in most men's character and an attraction to guns. Let's celebrate it and enjoy guns and encourage SAFE use and training.
One thing is for sure, any Gun Control is the thin edge of the wedge that will result in YOU losing YOUR guns!
There were two world wars where members of this club, also members of the Territorials went to fight all over the world, their skills learnt in the village defending an empire.
It is to be expected that in a culture where I am not allowed to use a step ladder at work or wear shorts, where roads that I and others happily and safely drove at 60mph in cars inferior, safety wise, to those today, that are now limitted to 40mph, that firearms will be seen as dangerous articles.
However it breaks my heart to see people who have grown up with guns, agree with legislation that will prevent other up and coming people, ever have any contact with the sporting use of firearms.
I think there is an inbuilt hunter in most men's character and an attraction to guns. Let's celebrate it and enjoy guns and encourage SAFE use and training.
One thing is for sure, any Gun Control is the thin edge of the wedge that will result in YOU losing YOUR guns!
Really? I am, just, old enough to remember the time before 1967 when there were NO CONTROLS on the purchase or possession of smooth bore guns. Shot guns.
So do you mean by your quote this period BEFORE 1967?
All this is an attitude, typical of the likes of RIALL at the NRA that nobody should be allowed to do anything that the speaker doesn't personally approve of...and then...only under strict control and regulation!
bobthedug
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dingwall_dave
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Well, heard on Radio Scotland the day that airgun control has been devolved to the Scottish Government. Lets see what happens...
Brithunter
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Let's face it it's about control pure and simple. They want people afraid of crime it's the only way they can get away with this ever increasing control. The populace in Russia and East Germany (GDR od DDR) were probably under less [FONT=arial, sans-serif]surviellance[/FONT] and control that the populace of the UK is today.
The authorities have no desire to curb crime as it fuels a multi billion pound industry of camera, control rooms, security products, firms not to mention the Police and security services. Our lives are monitored where we go what we do what we buy etc and what for?
Motorways have camera photographing the drivers of vehicles, others collecting registration numbers. In public places they have camera scanning faces and committing the data bases. Stalin could have only dreamed of having such power. Those that believe this is a free country are sadly deluding themselves. It may be free for the "elite" but the normal folks are as free as goldfish in bowl.
Figures are massaged to suit their aim and agenda and the truth ...................................... let along fact need never show their ugly faces unless it suits their agenda and purpose at the time.
The media is complicit in this the show the Police shows and documentaries carefully scripted and edited. The crime shows are there to fuel peoples fears. new stories are repeated again and again there does not seem to be new news during the day the same thing repeated over and over. Orwell imagined and feared nothing like this.
Air Guns will just be another step to their utopia of total control.
The authorities have no desire to curb crime as it fuels a multi billion pound industry of camera, control rooms, security products, firms not to mention the Police and security services. Our lives are monitored where we go what we do what we buy etc and what for?
Motorways have camera photographing the drivers of vehicles, others collecting registration numbers. In public places they have camera scanning faces and committing the data bases. Stalin could have only dreamed of having such power. Those that believe this is a free country are sadly deluding themselves. It may be free for the "elite" but the normal folks are as free as goldfish in bowl.
Figures are massaged to suit their aim and agenda and the truth ...................................... let along fact need never show their ugly faces unless it suits their agenda and purpose at the time.
The media is complicit in this the show the Police shows and documentaries carefully scripted and edited. The crime shows are there to fuel peoples fears. new stories are repeated again and again there does not seem to be new news during the day the same thing repeated over and over. Orwell imagined and feared nothing like this.
Air Guns will just be another step to their utopia of total control.
Nabbers comments that the "youth then were no better behaved than the youth of today"
I think that is debatable. Certainl boys will be boys but what I got up to in the 40s and 50s was not in the same league as what goes on today. For a start, anyone living in towns and villages would from the word go have been taught by their parents to have respect for those older than themselves, and a visit from the police would have been horrendous. I don't remember there being stabbings, shootings and the truly horrendous crimes carried out by some of the youth of today.
I carried my first shotgun in public in my mid teens, it never raised an eyebrow, the thought to use it against another person was never in my mind, now from what I see in the media, ceratin groups of youths openly boast of carrying weapons to use against others. As an old man, I think times have changed, and not for the better.
I think that is debatable. Certainl boys will be boys but what I got up to in the 40s and 50s was not in the same league as what goes on today. For a start, anyone living in towns and villages would from the word go have been taught by their parents to have respect for those older than themselves, and a visit from the police would have been horrendous. I don't remember there being stabbings, shootings and the truly horrendous crimes carried out by some of the youth of today.
I carried my first shotgun in public in my mid teens, it never raised an eyebrow, the thought to use it against another person was never in my mind, now from what I see in the media, ceratin groups of youths openly boast of carrying weapons to use against others. As an old man, I think times have changed, and not for the better.
Wider society is at fault, and we are now reaping what we have sown for the last 30 years or so. Kids growing up today do not have access to airguns in the same way that I did when I was growing up. In my day, youth clubs, scouts, sports clubs etc all shot airguns and it was easy to join a club and be taught safe gun handling and respect for guns in a safe controlled evironment.
Nowadays, youngsters are not allowed anywhere near guns, and joining gun clubs is both difficult and frowned upon by large areas of society. Licensing of shotguns etc means that it has never been harder for a youngster to get a safe introduction to airguns/firearms
Now against this antigun backdrop where even basic reporting of shooting results/news in the press is virtually never heard of these days, you have constant images of guns shooting people bombarding youngsters from a very early age. Think of american movies, computer games, cop shows on TV , Newspapers - who always report the shooting deaths everytime.
Talk about a one sides argument. With all this skewed reporting, it is hardly surprising that most non-shooting people have the opinion that guns are bad, and youngsters today see guns as a status symbol, and something to carry around or use if your a gang member or want to impress your mates etc .
Guns dont kill people, people kill people
Scotlands looks like it will bring in a ban, and new rules will make it virtually impossible for an average individual to measure up to the conditions of ownership required in order to keep the guns. It wont be an outright ban, they just wont approve most people to keep their guns, so effectively it will be a ban through the back door.And it wouldnt surprise me if they will use that 'Its not really a ban nonsense to side step requirements to pay out compensation. Unless you are a licenced pest control company, or work for a company where your job requires you to control pests, they wont allow you to have an airgun anymore, simple as that!
End result, all the criminals and neds will keep theirs and all the law abiding citizens will give theirs up. And when after a few years, the politicians like Sheridan, Salmon and McCaskill realise it hasnt worked (like they dont know already.......... ) it will be too late.
And once they have banned airguns - where will they go next? the anti-gun crusaders wont just pack up and go home, they will want shotguns and rifles in their sights, and they will shot and scream nonstop until more stupid politicians that can see anyfarther forward than the ends of their noses, but recognise a public opinion bandwagon when they see one all rise to stamp out the evil that is the public ownership of firearms. You heard it here first.........
Nowadays, youngsters are not allowed anywhere near guns, and joining gun clubs is both difficult and frowned upon by large areas of society. Licensing of shotguns etc means that it has never been harder for a youngster to get a safe introduction to airguns/firearms
Now against this antigun backdrop where even basic reporting of shooting results/news in the press is virtually never heard of these days, you have constant images of guns shooting people bombarding youngsters from a very early age. Think of american movies, computer games, cop shows on TV , Newspapers - who always report the shooting deaths everytime.
Talk about a one sides argument. With all this skewed reporting, it is hardly surprising that most non-shooting people have the opinion that guns are bad, and youngsters today see guns as a status symbol, and something to carry around or use if your a gang member or want to impress your mates etc .
Guns dont kill people, people kill people
Scotlands looks like it will bring in a ban, and new rules will make it virtually impossible for an average individual to measure up to the conditions of ownership required in order to keep the guns. It wont be an outright ban, they just wont approve most people to keep their guns, so effectively it will be a ban through the back door.And it wouldnt surprise me if they will use that 'Its not really a ban nonsense to side step requirements to pay out compensation. Unless you are a licenced pest control company, or work for a company where your job requires you to control pests, they wont allow you to have an airgun anymore, simple as that!
End result, all the criminals and neds will keep theirs and all the law abiding citizens will give theirs up. And when after a few years, the politicians like Sheridan, Salmon and McCaskill realise it hasnt worked (like they dont know already.......... ) it will be too late.
And once they have banned airguns - where will they go next? the anti-gun crusaders wont just pack up and go home, they will want shotguns and rifles in their sights, and they will shot and scream nonstop until more stupid politicians that can see anyfarther forward than the ends of their noses, but recognise a public opinion bandwagon when they see one all rise to stamp out the evil that is the public ownership of firearms. You heard it here first.........
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