flashpanther
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Hi, tried them. They don't accept membership anymore and will not pass on the information either according to their website. Due to the regulation now I believe.
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Hi, tried them. They don't accept membership anymore and will not pass on the information either according to their website. Due to the regulation now I believe.
Bomag
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If you agree with the law, why are you docking the pups?
How are you improving the lines? You dont work the bitch, and assuming youve had her from a pup, have never worked her, so therefore have no idea whether she's any good or not. Good lines do NOT make good dogs, they do help but I would want to know how the Dam worked before I bought a pup from a "working" parent.
When I breed from my terrier, I cant rely on the fact that her parents were good workers, she has to prove herself too.
You are a non-shooter too, which when added to everything else rings alarm bells in my mind
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Bomag... you digress and condescend also. It seems to be a common thing on forums with some people. No offense intended back in return.
I'm afraid good lines do indeed make good cocker spaniels. Good trainers of working dogs don't necessarily make the lines better. The Dam has not worked. The Sire has.
So I actually take the opposite view of you in regards to working cocker spaniels. But then you don't know the facts other than on here, you digress and your a terrier owner?!?
Ok. So in your eyes the working cocker spaniel litter should be not docked and sold to city owners?!? Bomag thanks for joining my thread to 'welcome' me but you totally digress and I fear I would not respect your opinion now regarding the ownership of dogs and their wellbeing. Sorry if I feel to put this point across strongly but you seem to have posted purely to condescend with little knowledge (although some types of people would boast in a reply otherwise in only proving my point).
What have you actually added to this thread other than condescend? It reminds me of a fast show comedy sketch. The pompous rich man boasting how rich he is to the quieter strange at the hotel bar. When he tries to compare the size of one another's house the man at the bar states "which one, the house in Paris, the complex in L.A, the mansion in 'Surrey' or this Hotel of mine".
I do not mean to offend but put my point across strongly as your stereotypical reply offend me greatly as you can see.
I agree with the law banning docking for the sake of an aesthetic nature (which is why it was put in place).
This thread was not to open a debate! It was to introduce myself and why I am here. Any helpful comments appreciated of course.
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flashpanther
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You have mixed up more than once in this line 'good lines' and a 'good dog'. I mentioned improving the lines. A good dog would depending on the training of the actually owner (that being the new owner of the puppy). Is that what you are saying because that goes without saying. Hence aiming to sell in a working capacity or those in the countryside. Hence the tail docking. But how do you know I don't know if she is any good or not?!? Because I have not worked here?!? That is an assumption you've made. But your either mixing good lines with a good dog and interlinking them or you've actually backed up my actions for the wellbeing of my dam's litter without even realizing it I'm afraid.
Bomag
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So Im a terrier owner, wtf is your problem with that? Im also a working Cocker owner. By that I mean, Im the owner of a Cocker, thats worked in the field, comes from good working lines (If you consider having the Cocker Championship winner as her grand-sire). She is worked in front of an A-panel judge, who agrees how good she is.
I gave you the answer to your "problem" in my first post, one you chose to ignore. Join BASC, it will be the easiest way of getting the list you require.
I gave you the answer to your "problem" in my first post, one you chose to ignore. Join BASC, it will be the easiest way of getting the list you require.
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Bomag... and yes I had an update two post below this post of yours which updated my situation. Not so much the vet finding now although a couple more recommendations would be appreciated. I 'was' stuck with the gamekeeper/landowner/shotgun part for the vet form to carry out the procedure. Joining BASC would not acheiving anything for me. I'd be better using that money towards DNA test to ensure all puppies will not be carriers of FN so any future breeds from this litter would remain healthy. Field Trial Champion winners in my Dam's pedigree in attachment below. From the Dam and Sire there is at least 3 Cocker Championship winners that will be on the puppies 5 generation pedigree. Danderw Druid being the grand-shire of the stud dog. Gusty Silvan, not a cocker championship winner but a FT CH and very respected one, is my dog sire.
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Dunno why but had a feeling he (Danderw Druid) may have been.
Out of interest what is the sire and dam of your cocker spaniel?
Thank you for wishing good luck.
I'm picking my little Saffron up on Sunday. She's been with the stud dog owner the past week.
Will be getting her FN and prcd-PRA DNA test done on her return for the benefit of the puppies again.
So...
the title should read NON working ....
breeding helps, but I kept 2 spaniels from my own bitch, one is a clone of her mother, if its possible to be more willing to work, and took to shooting like a duck to water,
the other loves being out and about and being with you, but average as a gundog,
guess which one will be bred from?
the title should read NON working ....
breeding helps, but I kept 2 spaniels from my own bitch, one is a clone of her mother, if its possible to be more willing to work, and took to shooting like a duck to water,
the other loves being out and about and being with you, but average as a gundog,
guess which one will be bred from?
Bomag
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Off the top of my head I cant tell you, she is one Tony Price's from his Tawnyhill Kennel.
Danderw Druid does seem to have been a prolific sire doesnt he?!
Im not sure where my next one will come from, possibly Tony, as Nantcarrow is no longer a kennel and I always wanted one from the Cocker man.
I hope the tests come back clear.
Danderw Druid does seem to have been a prolific sire doesnt he?!
Im not sure where my next one will come from, possibly Tony, as Nantcarrow is no longer a kennel and I always wanted one from the Cocker man.
I hope the tests come back clear.
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Goes without saying. They have the same breed lines anyway so depends which is more responsive to training and commands.
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It is a shame about the Nantcarrow lines ending really.
Danderw Druid has been used alot. Appears alot in cockers pedigree. I guess being a Cocker Championship winner can be very financially rewarding for the owner if putting him out to stud lol. If there is a danger of that becoming commercialised who knows. I digress lol
straightbetweentheeyes
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what utter codswollop! so your saying you could give a dog with 'good lines' to some herbert who knows absolutely nothing about working dogs and it would make a good worker?
Good trainers of working dogs don't necessarily make the lines better. could you explain in your infinite wisdom how a 'good line' comes about in the first place then? i should stick to watching the fast show if i was you instead of trying to educate other on working dogs and they're 'lines'..... you have come onto a deerstalking forum as a non shooter to ask about a litter you are having from your non working gundog breed dog that you want to sell to working homes as you do not wish to sell them to 'city folk'??? perish the the thought of a working breed going to someone who does not shoot and will not work the animal and give it the lifestyle it needs eh? digress that.....
regards, Jez.
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Jez, you come on this 'welcome' thread and have done nothing but waste your time insulting me with assumptions, condescending comments... 
you seemed to be the one with infinite wisdom, about me. Yor arguing your assumptions but on your assumptions, if the pedigree is not full of FT CH and both parents are not worked and FT CH then the puppies can not be sold to those that would work them or live in the country. Rightho ha ha.
you seemed to be the one with infinite wisdom, about me. Yor arguing your assumptions but on your assumptions, if the pedigree is not full of FT CH and both parents are not worked and FT CH then the puppies can not be sold to those that would work them or live in the country. Rightho ha ha.I think you are missing our point,
unless BOTH parents are shown to be good working dogs, not just from working stock, its more of a risk taking a pup to train to the gun,
what do I know, a mate took a yellow lab from the dogs home, at about a year old, he trained it and sold it as a working lab for £800,
someone else bought a springer pup for £600 spent another £1000 having it trained, and dare not let it off the lead on a shoot day, its far too "hot" for him.
all my dogs come from working field trial breeding, but I made sure I knew both parents and saw them work before buying.
unless BOTH parents are shown to be good working dogs, not just from working stock, its more of a risk taking a pup to train to the gun,
what do I know, a mate took a yellow lab from the dogs home, at about a year old, he trained it and sold it as a working lab for £800,
someone else bought a springer pup for £600 spent another £1000 having it trained, and dare not let it off the lead on a shoot day, its far too "hot" for him.
all my dogs come from working field trial breeding, but I made sure I knew both parents and saw them work before buying.
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I agree with what you said. If i can sell any of the litter to someone who would be keen to train the dog from a year old in field and trial it would be a bonus, other those in the country. I didn't come on here for people to offend, condescend, make assumptions, lecture etc
I goggled something and a post on here interested me. I needed to join the forum to PM that said person. To do so you need to add a thread here introducing yourself in the welcome section. I've been very welcomed
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