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Tamus
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I think you'll find that... "strictly speaking" you can shoot target with them because they are not "classed" as "designed or adapted" to expand, their tendancy to do so being merely an "incidental" fact. Which is an entirely different proposition to what you just wrote.
However, since they most certainly do expand no-one, with any true authority in the matter, has ever said you may not lawfully use them on deer.
ok so they are deer killers but not designed for the purpose for deer shooting bit like berger vlds target round but very good on deer big game il try them on fox see what happens if they pencil straight throe il give them a miss on deer thanks for replys one last thing could you be charged for using them on fox deer one last thing gun dealer marked noslers on tikket but not the a max is this normal
Tackleberry270
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A-max expand. The expand a little too well under some circumstances. They will kill a deer humanely so long as you do your part but damage can also vary with the distance you are shooting at. I wouldn't base your decision on one fox. They are going to perform differently on a bigger animal so you are better off just trying them.
ok bud well it is a 7mm rem mag so not a short gun if you get what i mean pushed to over 3100fps the 162g is moving i sight it in at 200yards this will try a roe see what damage it will do i gess from your post you have used them with varing results pin hole blow to bits thanks for reply
kingstonandy
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They work very well at around 2600 fps, I suspect that they might be too fragile at 3100.
The 208gr 30 cal works well at that sort of speed though so you might be OK.
The 208gr 30 cal works well at that sort of speed though so you might be OK.
Pirate hunter
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I use 168 A max in my 308 they are very accurate. And they do expand sometimes a little to much.
ATB Andy
ATB Andy
Hornady Manuals (7 & 8) say suitable for Medium Game. Regards JCS
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Moray Outfitting
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Really was done to death ( no pun ) in a number of threads in the last year.
This debate has raged on - and came very close to Police Authorities classing them as Section 5 to the detriment of a great number of target shooters - threads also refer to the eventual Home Office guidance on the matter. Whether its fair or just that such general bullet distinctions exist is another matter.
They are designed as a Match bullet. As has been pointed out, they have some expansive characteristics as a side effect of that design. In the UK Deer are required to be taken by a bullet 'designed to expand in a predictable manner'. The a max is not so designed.
Hornady sell in many countries other than the UK, their position has been that it may be used on certain medium game. That is in a practical, not legal sense.
There's a wide range on entirely suitable bullets out there without needing to go this route.
This debate has raged on - and came very close to Police Authorities classing them as Section 5 to the detriment of a great number of target shooters - threads also refer to the eventual Home Office guidance on the matter. Whether its fair or just that such general bullet distinctions exist is another matter.
They are designed as a Match bullet. As has been pointed out, they have some expansive characteristics as a side effect of that design. In the UK Deer are required to be taken by a bullet 'designed to expand in a predictable manner'. The a max is not so designed.
Hornady sell in many countries other than the UK, their position has been that it may be used on certain medium game. That is in a practical, not legal sense.
There's a wide range on entirely suitable bullets out there without needing to go this route.
8x57
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Forget it Moray Outfitting, some shooters just don't get it and are determined to muck it all up for everyone else. What a selfish bunch they are. Quite frankly they are really starting to annoy me. The amount that has been researched and written about A-Max bullets over the last couple of years yet they can't be bothered to read it but simply open old wounds over and over again, well that's it I'm done with them. Why don't they simply go and do their homework. Adios amigos.
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I have used a 7mm rem mag for nearly 20 years.
Over that time have used a few different sorts of bullets of varying weight.
If you want reliability of good expansion but NOT blow up, stick to a heavier well constructed round, like partition, grand slam, etc.
Threads like these make me laugh, you have bought a magnum and moan aboat the cost of feeding it????
How many deer do you shoot a year for the extra 20p a shot to make any difference. Stick with what you know and the damage you find acceptable, if they work the venison you save will be more then 20p's worth.
If cost is an issue just buy a .243 it uses about 35-42gr's of powder rather then 60-75gr's think of the saving.
Over that time have used a few different sorts of bullets of varying weight.
If you want reliability of good expansion but NOT blow up, stick to a heavier well constructed round, like partition, grand slam, etc.
Threads like these make me laugh, you have bought a magnum and moan aboat the cost of feeding it????
How many deer do you shoot a year for the extra 20p a shot to make any difference. Stick with what you know and the damage you find acceptable, if they work the venison you save will be more then 20p's worth.
If cost is an issue just buy a .243 it uses about 35-42gr's of powder rather then 60-75gr's think of the saving.
Moray Outfitting
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I'm as guilty as the next for forgetting about the search function to be honest 
In addition, entirely off the Forum, there are several fieldsports authors that do keep opening this one up - some it has acquired something of its own ( I've got to say it ) momentum.
In addition, entirely off the Forum, there are several fieldsports authors that do keep opening this one up - some it has acquired something of its own ( I've got to say it ) momentum.
batleyhunter
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They are designed as a target bullet thus making them a target bullet not a bullet to shoot at game or vermin and if you do ahoot game or vermin with these your breaking the law and can be convicted of this and get a big fine aswell. so dont do it.
batleyhunter
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I totally agree with yorkshiredeer on that .
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rem mag 175 gr grand slam bonded.
buck 25m's
entry
exit
munjac and roe doe
shot under 50m's from that high seat
rws 162gr cone points non bonded sp
fox 30m 110 gr tnt hollow point. have shot x2 roe with these, not pretty
So use a bonded head it will keep the damage down especially if you are close.
buck 25m's
entry
exit
munjac and roe doe
shot under 50m's from that high seat
rws 162gr cone points non bonded sp
fox 30m 110 gr tnt hollow point. have shot x2 roe with these, not pretty
So use a bonded head it will keep the damage down especially if you are close.
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Moray Outfitting
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Jon - you'd get more velocity if your 'moderator' didnt have so many holes in it! 
www.yorkshireroestalking.
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Jon - you'd get more velocity if your 'moderator' didnt have so many holes in it!
LOL thats why its so noisey as well then
Paul at Fechan
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nice fox, i'd like to see what your bulgaria taxidermist would do with that!
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thats after hes done it mate.
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