has anybody ever fought the police, re conditions etc

[MONGOOSE]

Yes but in the words of the FLO, when i asked for AOLQ, he said we don,t use it and if we did it would not cover boar, goats and sheep, I was tryin to get around having to get a letter of permission for boar off a friend of mine, as I was not told I would need a letter until his visit and having waited five months for my renewal, didn't, want to delay any longer.

Yeah makes sense, but wouldn't it be so much easier if they would just put AOLQ if you can be trusted to shoot deer you can be trusted to shoot anything else that would make things so much quicker and simpler don't you think......

 

[Tamus]

Yes but in the words of the FLO, when i asked for AOLQ, he said we don,t use it and if we did it would not cover boar, goats and sheep, I was tryin to get around having to get a letter of permission for boar off a friend of mine, as I was not told I would need a letter until his visit and having waited five months for my renewal, didn't, want to delay any longer.

Are boar, goats and sheep lawful quarry in Hants?

 

[Taff]

I did not know you were only allowed to shoot what was in your county , they do grant goat and sheep apparently on the IOW where they use them for conservation grazing, are there boar in Hampshire ?

 

[Tamus]

I did not know you were only allowed to shoot what was in your county , they do grant goat and sheep apparently on the IOW where they use them for conservation grazing, are there boar in Hampshire ?

Sorry, my fault, I'll rephrase my question.

Are boar, goats and sheep considered lawful quarry by the Hampshire firearms licensing authority?

 

[Taff]

Tames yes they do, that's what seems crazy, why any police force would try to prevent a person with a open ticket from having AOLQ, mysteries me,

 

[Tamus]

Tames yes they do, that's what seems crazy, why any police force would try to prevent a person with a open ticket from having AOLQ, mysteries me,

Domestic livestock cannot be "lawful quarry". They are someone's property, even if that someone is negligent in their ownership.

I'm not willing to get into a debate about "feral" or "free living" escapees. But you're on thin ice thinking they are "wild" animals,

I would not imagine any licensing authority would or should grant AOLQ meaning it to cover livestock, escaped or otherwise.

To shoot those animals there are conditions such as "the humane killing of animals" and particularly in the case of untagged boar there's the "in the management of any estate, other wildlife" conditions, which would be more applicable.

Perhaps the law in England is different but at the moment boar in Scotland are not classed as wild boar either, though I do concede there does seem to be a lot of confusion over this.

 

[timbrayford]

I did not know you were only allowed to shoot what was in your county , they do grant goat and sheep apparently on the IOW where they use them for conservation grazing, are there boar in Hampshire ?

Thanks for the tip off about the sheep & goats, I have Deer conditioned on my FAC, presumably from what you say this also covers foxes?. atb Tim

 

[Peskyfoxs]

Would having a closed ticket condition but then being told you are not allowed any more land checks after a single check come under non-contradictory ?

You can only shoot where we check but we won't do any checks ?

 

[bewsher500]

Would having a closed ticket condition but then being told you are not allowed any more land checks after a single check come under non-contradictory ?

You can only shoot where we check but we won't do any checks ?

would be a perfect reason for an open request going in!

 

[Peskyfoxs]

Thats what I'm thinking / Hopeing

 

[Orion]

Would having a closed ticket condition but then being told you are not allowed any more land checks after a single check come under non-contradictory ?

You can only shoot where we check but we won't do any checks ?

I'd say it would either be an invitation to an open ticket or come under 'letter of complaint to FLD manager or Professional Standards Department'.

 

[Peskyfoxs]

BASC advice was they can say they won't do any checks if they want as there is no legislation. I was tiold to wait a year before I ask for any more land checks as they are very busy apparently

 

[Orion]

In that case they are effectively making it impossible for you to use your rifle because of the condition that they have put on your FAC. Was it a verbal response you had from them regarding the 'wait a year' business? If you write in to the FLD and ask for land to be cleared and they then refuse in writing you have something to work with and take it further. I'm surprised if BASC advised you to just accept the situation?

 

[Peskyfoxs]

Being a new cert holder I kind of accept the cleared land condition. I have 3 permissions .. 1 cleared for .243 and 2 for .22lr, I wanted the .22lr's rechecking for .243 but they said on the phone they are too busy and that I have enough land to shoot (whats enough?) and I can try in a year for more land.

I might send of a nice email asking for them to be checked and see what comes back.

 

[Orion]

I think we both agree then that it's fair enough that you have and accept the territorial condition if you are a relatively novice FAC holder.

As usual the default answer from some FLDs is a no to any verbal request, so best to get anything in with them in writing/email. As you say, keep it polite but businesslike and be ready to fire off a reminder if they don't come back in a reasonable time frame.

Good luck with it.

 

[Peskyfoxs]

Yep I'm trying be reasonable and sensible but only being able to use the .243 in one place is a tad annoying plus its the only place I can use a hmr too.

 

[Taff]

Tames you may be right and if he had explained it in the way you did, I would have understood why it did not come under AOLQ, so are boar in the forest of dean classed as domestic livestock.

 

[Oh6]

I should say that hants will not use AOLQ either on your ticket, they have now removed fox from people who have permission to shot deer as apparently if you have deer you can shoot fox.

...but in the words of the FLO, when i asked for AOLQ, he said we don,t use it and if we did it would not cover boar, goats and sheep.

So if we can shoot fox if we 'have deer' where does it say that(?) or more tellingly, where does it say that if you 'have deer' that that doesn't automatically cover you for boar, goats and sheep

 

[Orion]

So if we can shoot fox if we 'have deer' where does it say that(?) or more tellingly, where does it say that if you 'have deer' that that doesn't automatically cover you for boar, goats and sheep

Spot on. Making it up as they go along................................... again!

 

[Tamus]

Tames you may be right and if he had explained it in the way you did, I would have understood why it did not come under AOLQ, so are boar in the forest of dean classed as domestic livestock.

Minefield, don't really know the answer.

I'd be willing to guess that by now most of them could be thought of as "wild" by any reasonable person, and I believe this is a widely held view. If and/or when they get clear legal status then we will have a proper answer.

In the meantme I'm reasonably confident that the "in the connection with the management of any estate, other wildlife" condition on your ticket would make it very difficult for anyone to pursue a case against you, provided you had all the appropriate landowner's/sporting rights holder's consent.... unless they had an owner's mark on them, of some sort. The "shooting of animals for the protection of other animals or humans" condition might also help paper over any cracks, so to speak.