Natural Environment Bill (Scotland)

[Tulloch]

Am I right in thinking you’re a Labour voter?

Errr No I am not a labour voter , I haven't voted in a while but I am a SNP voter usually because I do want independence for the soul reason that voting figures do not add up and I am sick of hearing people call England the UK when in fact the UK is made up of more than just one country. with under 6 million people in Scotland one city in England can vote out all the rest of of the countries in the UK. Its politics and when or If Scotland gets full independence then I will decide what party suits my politics, which at the moment, I do not like Labour or Conservative, I can never vote Reform and Lib Dems is just a joke and even though Greens are pro independence and Alba are too, I just cannot follow their politics and ever changing mantra , so IF I vote for now it is SNP, but, mostly work comes before voting.


I once had a minister from Westminster who was a cabinet member as a fishing guest, he asked me my thoughts on it and I told him and you know he never disagreed with me, did not try and sway me and when we went for a drink afterwards he told me he liked my politics, that in itself tells me something, bye the way he was a Tory.

 

[Tulloch]

That's Scotland's problem in a nutshell. The population would rather drown themselves than vote for anyone who smelt a bit too English or wasn't either a commie or a rabid nationalist.
It's not the political parties which are to blame for that, it's the radicalised electorate.

It is more than that I am afraid., it is not even cultural. Scotland stands with England on some things, but the majority of the people in England think the UK is just one country and that is England, A vast majority believe that England rules Scotland, Wales and NI. That is not the case. The UK is far more than England but all to often the voters of England dictate what happens elsewhere in the UK. That is actually a form of oppression. Even now there is shops in England that refuse to take Scottish or Northern Irish bank notes.

Let us be honest and I think many people should be honest with themselves on this, Reform UK is not Reform UK, it is Reform England, it has no policies that benefit anything in Scotland, it has no mandate to look into Scottish industries it honestly has no care about Scotland at all, the Tories have been the same and so has Labour. Holyrood is a headache for Westminster again that is a fact. I have been in discussion with many people on here and never voiced my own thoughts on this to them but just smiled.

I had a gentleman as a guest during the summer who voiced his displeasure that he was not allowed to bring his airgun to Scotland because of the airgun license, he brought his airgun anyway and asked for some rabbit shooting on his stalking down time, I said yes as long as he showed me his airgun ticket he said to me and I quote "Scotland abides by English Laws not its own made up ones" and was not happy when I told him he couldnt use his airgun on my farms without a license.

that is the attitude we have with many people . That is why Reformn wont get votes in Scotland.

 

[Apthorpe]

Errr No I am not a labour voter , I haven't voted in a while but I am a SNP voter usually because I do want independence for the soul reason that voting figures do not add up and I am sick of hearing people call England the UK when in fact the UK is made up of more than just one country. with under 6 million people in Scotland one city in England can vote out all the rest of of the countries in the UK.

That's not actually true, if it makes you feel any better. There are 59 Scottish MPs, 32 Welsh and Greater London has only 73 for a larger population.Scotland has always been over-represented in British politics.

Its politics and when or If Scotland gets full independence then I will decide what party suits my politics, which at the moment, I do not like Labour or Conservative, I can never vote Reform and Lib Dems is just a joke and even though Greens are pro independence and Alba are too, I just cannot follow their politics and ever changing mantra , so IF I vote for now it is SNP, but, mostly work comes before voting.

What sort of partues do you think would exist in an independent Scotland? Woukd you just get effectively a nationalist dictatorship for generations like all the African countries did?
I can see the SNP and Labour continuing, but O find it hard to imagine any centrist or right of centre parties at all, whuch bodes desperately ill for the health of the economy.

I once had a minister from Westminster who was a cabinet member as a fishing guest, he asked me my thoughts on it and I told him and you know he never disagreed with me, did not try and sway me and when we went for a drink afterwards he told me he liked my politics, that in itself tells me something, bye the way he was a Tory.

It's perfectly reasonable to want to be independent...so long as you can remain afloat and have a sensible enough political establishment to manage it. I fear that part is lacking.

It also seems to be widely assumed that the rest of the UK or England as appropriate would be willing to extend financial aid and economic union in such an event. All I'll say about that is that the SNP ought to be building a couple of large ports and enlarging airports beforehand.

 

[Tulloch]

That's not actually true, if it makes you feel any better. There are 59 Scottish MPs, 32 Welsh and Greater London has only 73 for a larger population.Scotland has always been over-represented in British politics.

What sort of partues do you think would exist in an independent Scotland? Woukd you just get effectively a nationalist dictatorship for generations like all the African countries did?
I can see the SNP and Labour continuing, but O find it hard to imagine any centrist or right of centre parties at all, whuch bodes desperately ill for the health of the economy.

It's perfectly reasonable to want to be independent...so long as you can remain afloat and have a sensible enough political establishment to manage it. I fear that part is lacking.

It also seems to be widely assumed that the rest of the UK or England as appropriate would be willing to extend financial aid and economic union in such an event. All I'll say about that is that the SNP ought to be building a couple of large ports and enlarging airports beforehand.

I am in no way Right Wing in my politics ,

Representation is not majority voter pool opinion.

 

[Apthorpe]

I am in no way Right Wing in my politics ,

I get that. But left wing politics cannot survive on its own. Who would provide the tax money?

This is not intended as a criticism. I thimk independence would be a compelling idea if it was presented as a plausible proposition.

Representation is not majority voter pool opinion.

I don't understand what that means.

 

[Kane01]

Not sure if its even worth me adding my thoughts since I'm so new to stalking, but I'm going to anyway.

Due to the fact I've found it incredibly hard to get legal permission of any sort in my local counties (Bucks/Beds), I have had to buy into a small syndicate located in south Scotland.
Ive already done my DSC1 due to pressure from this Bill and to counteract the discrimination I have received from my force due to my age, so luckily I am ahead of the curve with having a qualification.

My concerns are that, firstly this wont end here, there will simply be more hoops to jump through and more artificial t's and i's that need to be crossed and dotted in order for us to continue any sort of activity related to shooting.
Secondly, if believe this will put off and disinterest a lot of people (especially younger people) who may otherwise want to get into deer shooting.

We really need to be on the offensive now more than ever, get more people engaged and into shooting/hunting and just the countryside way of life in general.
The demographics don't lie, if we dont get more people and younger people in within the next 10 years I think things will be very bleak, let alone another 25-30 years.

 

[Apthorpe]

Not sure if its even worth me adding my thoughts since I'm so new to stalking, but I'm going to anyway.

Absolutely worth adding your thoughts.

Due to the fact I've found it incredibly hard to get legal permission of any sort in my local counties (Bucks/Beds), I have had to buy into a small syndicate located in south Scotland.
Ive already done my DSC1 due to pressure from this Bill and to counteract the discrimination I have received from my force due to my age, so luckily I am ahead of the curve with having a qualification.

My concerns are that, firstly this wont end here, there will simply be more hoops to jump through and more artificial t's and i's that need to be crossed and dotted in order for us to continue any sort of activity related to shooting.
Secondly, if believe this will put off and disinterest a lot of people (especially younger people) who may otherwise want to get into deer shooting.

This is an excellent point. Barriers to entry are a serious disincentive, and too many people who shoot favour creating more of them (whether mandatory training, licensing criteria) to draw up the ladder after them.

We really need to be on the offensive now more than ever, get more people engaged and into shooting/hunting and just the countryside way of life in general.
The demographics don't lie, if we dont get more people and younger people in within the next 10 years I think things will be very bleak, let alone another 25-30 years.

I think by then it will have neem taken out of the public's hands altogether, aided in part by the lemming-like tendencies of some of us who favour "professionalisation" , the shooting "industry", assorted other red tape and so on.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Absolutely worth adding your thoughts.

This is an excellent point. Barriers to entry are a serious disincentive, and too many people who shoot favour creating more of them (whether mandatory training, licensing criteria) to draw up the ladder after them.

I think by then it will have neem taken out of the public's hands altogether, aided in part by the lemming-like tendencies of some of us who favour "professionalisation" , the shooting "industry", assorted other red tape and so on.

But what about the shiny badges ???

 

[Apthorpe]

But what about the shiny badges ???

No comment

 

[Tulloch]

I get that. But left wing politics cannot survive on its own. Who would provide the tax money?

This is not intended as a criticism. I thimk independence would be a compelling idea if it was presented as a plausible proposition.

I don't understand what that means.

It means it doesnt matter how many Scots are in Westminster it doesnt change the minds of English people

 

[Freeforester]

The currency conundrum and who pays the pensions and with what and which currency seem to still be left unaddressed; to borrow money from the market - and at risky rates- to set up a central bank and then put some bawbees in it might not make a lot of sense to those doing the lending.


Putting the ‘fun’ back in fungible..


I’d suggest to have a look at Slovakia’s experience of choosing their independence away from Czechia, and see how that panned out before putting one’s faith in the authorities responsible for our own ‘boat and road’ initiative.

 

[Malxwal]

Well, apparently that's the bill passed.