Banning Trail Hunting - impact on Deer recovery?

IanF

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.Gov Bill to ban Trail Hunting - Deer impact?
So we expect a bill to be shortly released that will ban Trail Hunting.

* How will this impact the use of dogs to follow and recover wounded/injured deer?
*How will this impact training those dogs for this task?
*Should we as deer stalkers be adding our voices to the consultation - before the law of unintended consequences out-laws this vital and humane service?
 
Impossible to say without seeing the legislation, but there are plenty of uses for dogs which I don’t imagine will be outlawed; search and rescue, drug dogs etc etc…..

I’d think the law will be drafted in such a way as to allow use of scent tracking dogs in these instances, therefore it is likely that scent tracking dogs used for tracking shot game will also be allowed
 
Hiven that the legislation will be produced by a government bureaucracy which generated anti-terrorist legislation which permitted the arrest of people as innocuous as trainspotters and peaceful protesters, and is staffed by "experts" who couldn't identify the animals they're legislating over, I think some of the comments above may be a touch complacent.
 
.Gov Bill to ban Trail Hunting - Deer impact?
So we expect a bill to be shortly released that will ban Trail Hunting.

* How will this impact the use of dogs to follow and recover wounded/injured deer?
*How will this impact training those dogs for this task?
*Should we as deer stalkers be adding our voices to the consultation - before the law of unintended consequences out-laws this vital and humane service?
There is in all instances Ian parts which will make room for what is needed, there is a long list of where dogs are used and trained so I am quite sure from a welfare point be it a lost human or animal those parts will not change.
 
.Gov Bill to ban Trail Hunting - Deer impact?
So we expect a bill to be shortly released that will ban Trail Hunting.

* How will this impact the use of dogs to follow and recover wounded/injured deer?
*How will this impact training those dogs for this task?
*Should we as deer stalkers be adding our voices to the consultation - before the law of unintended consequences out-laws this vital and humane service?
If you can prove that the deer is injured, for instance correctly read and take pictures of the shot site, any bone, hair, flesh, colour of blood etc, it’s animal welfare end of subject as far as I’m concerned, the only thing that would stop me as a boundary and in my personal opinion that’s another ****ing stupid law, but I’m not going to go into that!

There isn’t a law in the land that goes against animal welfare!

When I was going up and down the country tracking as a part of the UKSHA, are used to wear a GoPro to cover my arse because I trusted nobody.
 
Do like the pack ive watched, use the hounds to flush to a bird of prey, male and female golden eagles.
All perfectly legal
 
Depending how it's worded we might not be able to train deer dogs with animal scents?

Hunts will continue using aniseed or similar, the SABS will continue!
 
The announcement by the Government of their Animal Welfare Strategy for England, which included their commitment to ban trail hunting, seems to have caught some in the hunting community by surprise, despite the fact that a ban on trail hunting was a Labour election manifesto commitment

The strategy paper, all 48 pages, offers a more strategic approach rather than piecemeal legislation, which presumably means an all-encompassing Bill to go before Parliament.

It will affect farming, shooting and fishing, equestrian centres, as well as dog and cat owners and the veterinary profession.

That means that consultation on the many issues raised in the Strategy document, as well as the drafting of any proposed legislation, will take some time.

The details on trail hunting include a proposal for a ban on animal-based scents and the lifting and dropping of the trail. The strategy paper includes many proposals apart from a ban on trail hunting !

Included is the end of the use of snare traps, proposals on puppy smuggling and puppy farming, options for reform of veterinary practices affecting the keeping of over 10 million dogs and 10 million cats in the UK, and consultation on the use of electric shock collars.

In addition, consultations are proposed on domestic rescue and rehoming, and training for responsible dog ownership; a review of the licensing regime for horses in riding establishments; and a proposed closed season for hares, with possible actions affecting rules for pigs, hens and lambs.

Plans are presented for the humane slaughter of farmed fish so that they avoid pain, distress or suffering. Pressure in Parliament will be out to widen the scope to include sport fishing such as fly fishing, spinning and bait fishing. Also included is the review of guidance on killing decapods — lobsters and crabs.

Nothing about slaughtering un-stunned large mammals by cutting the throat whilst suspended and clearly in terror. ie Halal and Kosher.

Included is the consideration of the existing protections for gamebirds that are bred and reared under controlled conditions for release for sport shooting, together with birds caught up for breeding purposes.

The paper states that DEFRA wishes to improve its understanding of how gamebirds are reared in the gamebird sector through issuing a call for evidence — the first step to a licensing system being imposed on shooting.

The Strategy document is dangerous to all field sports but is a muddle and a mess. It will bring us all in field sports together to fight unfair and unjust legislation.
 
There is in all instances Ian parts which will make room for what is needed, there is a long list of where dogs are used and trained so I am quite sure from a welfare point be it a lost human or animal those parts will not change.
I wouldn't be so sure, prior to the 2004 act the BDS participated in deer counts in New Forest enclosures, no hunting involved but just flushing out to be counted, particularly muntjac from thick cover. Dogs were essential for doing this, the hunting act unnecessarily restricted this to just two. What useful purpose has this served?
 
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