has anybody ever fought the police, re conditions etc

[jon2]

I'd say it would either be an invitation to an open ticket or come under 'letter of complaint to FLD manager or Professional Standards Department'.

Just an observation Orion regarding your reference to the PSD (and would be interested in your opinion), I have recently received a booklet from my licensing authority along with all relevant paperwork in preparation to renew my certificate. They state that they provide an efficient, robust service (or words to that effect) but if an individual has cause to complain then all correspondence should be directed to the Chief Constable. As far as I am aware this is not the correct procedure and the PSD is the correct route to go down if you have a complaint. Yes by all means you could write to the Chief (and in my last engagement with PSD the Chief was cc'd in) but I felt the information detailed in the booklet was incorrect. I feel the Chief (for them i.e. the FLD in question) is a cop out for them as only true impartiality can be gained by going down the PSD route. Just interested to hear what your thoughts are on this?

 

[Orion]

jon2, I totally concur with your statement above.

To my mind the CC is the one who's signature appears on your FAC, (albeit by devolved responsibilty in probablye 99.9% of instances). However, be that as it may, he is the person with responsibilty for the actions of his subordinates, therefore an impartial view on the situation can only be made by the PSD acting somewhat divorced and independently of the 'system'.

 

[jon2]

jon2, I totally concur with your statement above.

To my mind the CC is the one who's signature appears on your FAC, (albeit by devolved responsibilty in probablye 99.9% of instances). However, be that as it may, he is the person with responsibilty for the actions of his subordinates, therefore an impartial view on the situation can only be made by the PSD acting somewhat divorced and independently of the 'system'.

Thankyou Orion

My opinion too.

As I say I am thinking they are providing the Chief Constable as an easy option for themselves and it is the impartially in my experience that the PSD provides.

Best

Jon

PS I am just wondering if Admin should provide as a sticky the link to the PSD procedure?

 

[PointBlank]

As I wasn't furnished with a full instruction manual with my FAC I shall take my "Deer and any lawful quarry" to mean exactly as I interpret it!

 

[Orion]

As I wasn't furnished with a full instruction manual with my FAC I shall take my "Deer and any lawful quarry" to mean exactly as I interpret it!

Just so long as you don't interpret it to include 'Leicestershire Farm Burglars'.

 

[long_range_rob]

As a Surrey shooter I can only offer praise. I got an open ticket after two years. I have all my rifles available for any species as they know that a safe shot is a safe shot wether it's a 7mm08 or a 17Mach2.

One for ones are processed in 7 days, door to door and there is no problem with two rifles of the same calibre (or more) they just want you to justify them.

The only problem I have ever heard of was a friend who had a problem getting soft points for his 375 but that all got resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

 

[jon2]

As a Surrey shooter I can only offer praise. I got an open ticket after two years. I have all my rifles available for any species as they know that a safe shot is a safe shot wether it's a 7mm08 or a 17Mach2.

One for ones are processed in 7 days, door to door and there is no problem with two rifles of the same calibre (or more) they just want you to justify them.

The only problem I have ever heard of was a friend who had a problem getting soft points for his 375 but that all got resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

Very commendable.

 

[David63]

Funilly enough a similar thread came up an another forum today, and I posted there, anyone can make mistakes within a licencing department, and some departments frankly have made rods for their own backs hence the delays and daft conditions in some areas.

It does no harm at all to pick up the phone and have a chat so they and get things sorted or nudge them along, in many cases this can and will help

Its important to be polite and sensible. Being angry or petulant will get you nowhere in the longer run, and some forces specifically warn agiasnt it!

But if they constantly mess up or constantly dump on daft or restrictive conditions for example, that the time to start complaining, unfortunately if there are no written complains on bad practice, when we go into bat for members the Ch Constable looks in the file and simply shrugs their shoulder – ‘No complaints in the file Mr BASC, so I guess all you members in this area must be happy’

So yes a quick call can often help, if not a letter, if not a more formal written complaint.

David

 

[BRORA260]

A couple of friends have had to take it to the stage of a backwards/forwards argument over a few weeks but they won in the end. I personally was told by an F E O at my interview that he would not be happy about a variation on a renewal, I phoned the department in his presence, it went through. Download the guidance notes, swot them up, verify your information and detail then blitz them, they do actually work for you.

 

[David63]

Yes indeed, be firm, be polite, always feel free to get some guidance on what to say or write from you shooting organisation, and as many have found out common sense can prevail.

David

 

[nick.308]

a reasoned argument goes a long way. Speak to a dealer for reasons to grant whatever your after and the police are screwed

 

[MJ75]

In the meantme I'm reasonably confident that the "in the connection with the management of any estate, other wildlife" condition on your ticket would make it very difficult for anyone to pursue a case against you, provided you had all the appropriate landowner's/sporting rights holder's consent.... unless they had an owner's mark on them, of some sort. The "shooting of animals for the protection of other animals or humans" condition might also help paper over any cracks, so to speak.

Are they not relating to expanding ammunition instead of the individual firearms stated on your ticket as such? That's how it was explained to me by my FEO anyway. Shoot boar without boar being specified on your ticket and you have broken a condition. Get caught and it's unlikely that the CPS will bring a case against you buty you run a very real chance of haveing your FAC revoked by the licensing dept.

Thats how I understand things anyway.

 

[MJ75]

a reasoned argument goes a long way. Speak to a dealer for reasons to grant whatever your after and the police are screwed

I wish that were true! lol

 

[MONGOOSE]

As I wasn't furnished with a full instruction manual with my FAC I shall take my "Deer and any lawful quarry" to mean exactly as I interpret it!

And you would be correct in doing so ,I have now asked our FLD a total of two times wether or not this is correct and it means exactly as it is written.........