Bavarian mountain hound

[Grant.N]

Well I am now in a position to get myself a dog to train for deer work.However I am a little confused.
I have read articles about warm scents and cold scents ?
This is the first bit of confusion ?
Should I get a dog and train it to follow a warm scent, for example a recently shot deer that was may be hit a little far back and made its get away. The dog would then be trained to follow the wounded deer and then hold it at bay once found ?
Or do I train a dog to follow a cold scent say the next day ? But is this ethically correct. By that I mean leaving a wounded animal until the next day to follow up ? Some how does not sound right to me !
Second bit of confusion !
I have decided on a Bavarian as my new companion, however I have read that there are Bavarians and Bavarians ?? By this I mean the Polish bred ones and the German bred ones. What's the difference ? Is there a specific breed line that I should be going for and ones that I should avoid ?
If anyone who has experience of this breed and could offer me some advice and a point in the right direction, it would be much appreciated .

 

[Bigboab29]

Bmh

Hi grant,

Both the polish and German bmh's have there dedicated fans the same as anything else. I don't really know to much about them but if you do a search for bmh there have been many heated ''discussions'' abouts the pro's and con's of each line of bmh.

Cheers rob

 

[munstisue]

Hi Grant,

You could try contacting the breed society regarding the different lines and current breed issues within the UK?

 

[Daft Dog]

I have decided on a Bavarian as my new companion, however I have read that there are Bavarians and Bavarians ?? By this I mean the Polish bred ones and the German bred ones. What's the difference ?

My view is, and it is my view, if you can see both parents, and both are fit, healthy and inteligent then it doesn't matter what line they are from. if either or both are working then thats a plus. Dogs are intelligent animals, they learn, some have it naurally, some don't, but all will learn, especially if you have a way with animals.

I have a lab, both parents were calm working dogs of very good ability. Mine is hot headed, strong willed and stubborn as hell. Some of that is his breading, some of that is my fault for not being a "trainer". Either way I would lay money on the daft bugger finding a shot bird (possible a shot deer - never tried him) ahead of many field trial dogs. And he has proven it a number of times, trust me!

What I'm trying to say is, Bravairians (like most breeds) have been bred for a reason, theirs is to track wounded animals. I serisouly doubt it matters if they are Polish, german or even solvakian bred. Treat them well, train them well and and they will do what you want (they may even do it without training - it comes naturally to them).

But the I'm no expert, its just my opinion. Good luck with whatever you choose. I've come accross two Bravarians in my time, one polish, one Slovakian. Both absolutlely lovely animals. The Polish one it a top notch tracker also, the other hasn't been trained yet.

Regards

Jim

 

[Wolverine]

Well I am now in a position to get myself a dog to train for deer work.However I am a little confused.
I have read articles about warm scents and cold scents ?
This is the first bit of confusion ?
Should I get a dog and train it to follow a warm scent, for example a recently shot deer that was may be hit a little far back and made its get away. The dog would then be trained to follow the wounded deer and then hold it at bay once found ?
Or do I train a dog to follow a cold scent say the next day ? But is this ethically correct. By that I mean leaving a wounded animal until the next day to follow up ? Some how does not sound right to me !
Second bit of confusion !
I have decided on a Bavarian as my new companion, however I have read that there are Bavarians and Bavarians ?? By this I mean the Polish bred ones and the German bred ones. What's the difference ? Is there a specific breed line that I should be going for and ones that I should avoid ?
If anyone who has experience of this breed and could offer me some advice and a point in the right direction, it would be much appreciated .

Get a cocker then keep going with the confusion....

 

[Grant.N]

Thanks for the advice everyone.

 

[6pointer]

Grant it seems to me if you read through the posts on BMH that we have two distinct types we have the German type nearly always used on a line thick set and hard to train. Then we have the polish delight they can be worked off and on a line are very easy to train with a Delightful nature. A bit like some of the strong headed GWP,s .I might be wrong what do i know.

ps THE MUSIC WAS TO GO WITH THE LAID BACK ITTITUDE

 

[Wolverine]

Grant it seems to me if you read through the posts on BMH that we have two distinct types we have the German type nearly always used on a line thick set and hard to train. Then we have the polish delight they can be worked off and on a line are very easy to train with a Delightful nature. A bit like some of the strong headed GWP,s .I might be wrong what do i know.

ps THE MUSIC WAS TO GO WITH THE LAID BACK ITTITUDE

Might be wrong-know not a lot

 

[6pointer]

George time will tell mate still waiting for you to get your hands dirty with this tracking game .
You can learn all you want from books and from long phone calls but that will not teach you **** compared to being out there let me know when your muts paws have hardened abit.

 

[Wolverine]

George time will tell mate still waiting for you to get your hands dirty with this tracking game .
You can learn all you want from books and from long phone calls but that will not teach you **** compared to being out there let me know when your muts paws have hardened abit.

Hehehe,now now Davie,I'm learning nought out of books or long phone calls....there's a world of difference from what I expect from my dogs and you do.Dont bite so hard mannie.
My labs would out track Ria,so if I were you I'd reverse that statement a bit bud.
Once Ria has done a 24+ hour track on a wounded deer not a dead one,then you tell me when her paws have hardened

 

[Gazza]

It's telling that the comments made by some as regards BMH's with Polish breeding has caused persons like the OP to believe that these dogs are somehow inferior. Do not let a BMH with Polish or Slovakian breeding put you off.

 

[Wolverine]

It's telling that the comments made by some as regards BMH's with Polish breeding has caused persons like the OP to believe that these dogs are somehow inferior. Do not let a BMH with Polish or Slovakian breeding put you off.

Gazza,that's all that's available to the majority anyway.Simple.Some are brilliant,some not so.German dogs are health tested fully,tested to work and their pedigrees are correct and full.No hedging of bets with a German one.

 

[patterdale]

I was thinking about getting one of these but all these comments it makes me think that they're not worth the hassle.

 

[Grant.N]

Thanks for all the replies so far guys.
Lots to take in, but I am in no rush.

 

[Grant.N]

Seems that it quite simple really.
Just a matter of breeding , health history, blood line, etc etc.
What I have noticed is that the German ones seem to have a serious look on their faces !

 

[6pointer]

Some of the polish ones are health tested and work tested have a full pedigree and are KC registered.

 

[Wolverine]

Some of the polish ones are health tested and work tested have a full pedigree and are KC registered.

Hehehe,what makes you think the German ones aren't KC registered Davie?

 

[Wolverine]

Hey up Grant
Ive had a brainwave.
Why get a "Polish Delight" or a sour faced German BGS when you can get a really really good tracking dog.
Get a proper HS(Hanoverian)like mine....
Confusing or what

 

[Wheelspin]

View attachment 20472Hi Grant
I was in your position last year, and having only just broken into the PC and Internet world this year I was blissfully unaware of the so called pitfalls with this breed.So having bought my BMH of Slovakian parentage and seeing parents kc register and tracking certificates and awards I went away quite happy.And now after 18 months of ownership to say I am pleased with said purchase is an understatement and don't think having a German hound would make bit of difference.As far as training is concerned there are more experienced people than me on this site to give out advice,but as with most dogs from working parentage you just need to find and turn the switch on and they instinctively go to work,maybe not everything in the right order for a start but the enthusiasm is there.A loyal companion and never a dull moment.
Nik..

 

[Gazza]

Gazza,that's all that's available to the majority anyway.Simple.Some are brilliant,some not so.German dogs are health tested fully,tested to work and their pedigrees are correct and full.No hedging of bets with a German one.

Wolverine you would make it seem that if a person bought a German bred dog that there is some guarantee that this pup is going to be top notch. I know where you are coming from. Buy a dog from proven healthy, and work proven stock chances are that the pups will also be good but a Polish/Slovakian bred dog of the correct breeding in the right hands will be better than a proven bred German dog in the wrong hands.
Your labs would most definately meet the requirements of any UK stalker. What is their breeding? Looking back a few generations I would bet my last pound that they are from working gundogs. Possibly dogs that have sat at pegs, masters of retrieval. They are not from a long line of tracking dogs but very capable of doing the job. As you are well aware the BMH is used in many continental countries and there are dogs available that do have an extensive history of working ability and health. As for pedigrees I would have no additional reason to doubt the honesty of my BMH's pedigree as I would doubt the honestly of my spaniels pedigrees.