Please sign SAS man jailed
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That daft comment has just put you on the ignore list. That a crime has been committed is fact. The issue at hand is the sentencing.
csl
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I'm probably going to close this thread soon if it's going to cause tension.
So far as I can see (having read the court transcript) the defence are not contesting guilt... they are contesting the severity of the sentence in comparison to his colleague who had a firearm and a grenade and who was the reason the police were called in the first place (domestic dispute with spouse), questionable character. Unfortunately this has been brought into the public eye and has therefore had to be dealt with in the public eye, so...
The defence argues that if the other guy got two years for the more aggravating circumstances (worse weapons and a questionable disposition) then their client should get significantly less (lesser weapons, an unblemished record, good character and the mitigating circumstances).
It's as simple as that. Guilt has been established, it's just a question of whether the sentence is fair in comparison to the other guy.
State your opinion and your reasons by all means, but let's keep it objective and civil please.
So far as I can see (having read the court transcript) the defence are not contesting guilt... they are contesting the severity of the sentence in comparison to his colleague who had a firearm and a grenade and who was the reason the police were called in the first place (domestic dispute with spouse), questionable character. Unfortunately this has been brought into the public eye and has therefore had to be dealt with in the public eye, so...
The defence argues that if the other guy got two years for the more aggravating circumstances (worse weapons and a questionable disposition) then their client should get significantly less (lesser weapons, an unblemished record, good character and the mitigating circumstances).
It's as simple as that. Guilt has been established, it's just a question of whether the sentence is fair in comparison to the other guy.
State your opinion and your reasons by all means, but let's keep it objective and civil please.
Virbius
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Agreed, apologies Alex and all if my comment was considered not objective or civil. Also agree that maybe this thread has run its course.
I would question the comment about the sentencing in comparison with Sgt Nightingale's colleague though - there has been no apparent quest for appeal by him or his family or petition to have his sentence reviewed, so perhaps they thought he had got off very lightly with his two years compared to the mandatory five and decided to let discretion be the better part of valour?
I would question the comment about the sentencing in comparison with Sgt Nightingale's colleague though - there has been no apparent quest for appeal by him or his family or petition to have his sentence reviewed, so perhaps they thought he had got off very lightly with his two years compared to the mandatory five and decided to let discretion be the better part of valour?
jon2
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Yes where is everyone backing the other SAS guy?
Why does Sgt Nightingale recieve support but the other chap doesn't? Where do you draw the line? We don't even know the other bloke's name. Again a dangerous precedent.
It was only 2 month's ago that 2 WPC's were killed in Droylsden. The murderer used 2 hand grenades. If the house was broken into and then these items get into the wrong hands they can of course be used in such circumstances. That is why I feel it right that the sentence is appropriate. I feel he has already had a lenient sentence and in fact that applies to both of them.
Why does Sgt Nightingale recieve support but the other chap doesn't? Where do you draw the line? We don't even know the other bloke's name. Again a dangerous precedent.
It was only 2 month's ago that 2 WPC's were killed in Droylsden. The murderer used 2 hand grenades. If the house was broken into and then these items get into the wrong hands they can of course be used in such circumstances. That is why I feel it right that the sentence is appropriate. I feel he has already had a lenient sentence and in fact that applies to both of them.
Magyar Vadász
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Signed, this is a BS charge.
Do you find the 'Bored Scousers' thread racist as well Mallett?
I think this was just a bit of fun because of the complex spelling of Magyar's home.
Kind regards,
Tim
Tamus
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So, unless my grasp of both vocabulary and arithmetic fail me completely. He was only ever likely to serve one year in service detention, with a possible "discretionary" further reduction to 10 months... for a "strict liability" offence (mens rea is not a consideration in such offences) and he clearly understood he had committed and confesssed to such in his first interview with West Mercia Police. Apparently, his memory was perfectly intact at that point.
You or I would now be settling in for a five year stretch for the same offence, if we committed it. Unless YOU are a certain Sgt in the SAS and did commit it... Justice? ........... What exactly is that?
A skip full of naughty boys toys taken off the streets seems to be the only ray of redemption in this whole sorry tale.
Do you find the 'Bored Scousers' thread racist as well Mallett?
I think this was just a bit of fun because of the complex spelling of Magyar's home.
Kind regards,
Tim
Tim,
I accept it was meant as a joke, but it is not clear whether it was the spelling of Magyar's home or his name that triggered the comment. Either way it it was mistaken and inappropriate as you can't poke fun at a person's name or address - certainly if you don't know them.
This comment has nothing to do with being "PC". SD has fantastic contributors from around the world and a xenophobic "joke" like this is just out of place IMO.
Neal
I think this was just a bit of fun because of the complex spelling of Magyar's home.
Kind regards,
Tim
Tim,
I accept it was meant as a joke, but it is not clear whether it was the spelling of Magyar's home or his name that triggered the comment. Either way it it was mistaken and inappropriate as you can't poke fun at a person's name or address - certainly if you don't know them.
This comment has nothing to do with being "PC". SD has fantastic contributors from around the world and a xenophobic "joke" like this is just out of place IMO.
Neal
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jon2
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Apologies to anyone I offended with my Taliban quip. I certainly would not class it as racist mind you. Possibly as rediculous a comment as the quip itself.
Tamus
From my reckoning (arithmetic) am I right in thinking you are a month out? Final reduction of time served at the Camp Commandant's discretion would actually remove another one sixth of his original sentence (ie 3 months as opposed to the 2 months in your calculation)?
What it does highlight mind you is that he has got off even more lightly than we were led to believe. I feel that proceedings may go more in his favour next thursday although of course I would say under the circumstances it is a very high risk strategy (especially now in light of the fact that he could be out in less than a year).
What I also feel is interesting is the non existent support for his house mate and also for the 5 Royal Marines arrested for the alleged murder of an injured Taliban fighter. I feel the latter case much more worthy of public support and yet we have heard nothing of any support in the media (have we)?
Tamus
From my reckoning (arithmetic) am I right in thinking you are a month out? Final reduction of time served at the Camp Commandant's discretion would actually remove another one sixth of his original sentence (ie 3 months as opposed to the 2 months in your calculation)?
What it does highlight mind you is that he has got off even more lightly than we were led to believe. I feel that proceedings may go more in his favour next thursday although of course I would say under the circumstances it is a very high risk strategy (especially now in light of the fact that he could be out in less than a year).
What I also feel is interesting is the non existent support for his house mate and also for the 5 Royal Marines arrested for the alleged murder of an injured Taliban fighter. I feel the latter case much more worthy of public support and yet we have heard nothing of any support in the media (have we)?
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Magyar Vadász
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Thankyou for the apology, I don't feel I need to explain but I will.
My skin tone and physiognomy have put me into the taliban bracket where I have been the brunt of both verbal and physical attacks, mainly around a time period not so long ago, when the said group made headlines, thats one of the reasons I don't live in the UK anymore.
You may not find your remark racist, but thats your opinion.
I will not respond anymore to this topic.
Regards,
My skin tone and physiognomy have put me into the taliban bracket where I have been the brunt of both verbal and physical attacks, mainly around a time period not so long ago, when the said group made headlines, thats one of the reasons I don't live in the UK anymore.
You may not find your remark racist, but thats your opinion.
I will not respond anymore to this topic.
Regards,
NorthDorset
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For goodness sake! Play nice boys or dont play at all.
Magyar what ever your creed, cast or skin tone if your interested in stalking deer you are welcome here.
Magyar what ever your creed, cast or skin tone if your interested in stalking deer you are welcome here.
Magyar Vadász
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Try reading what you write before before you post. You apologise for causing offence and then suggest that we should be supporting those alleged to have murdered a prisoner as opposed to someone allegedly suffering amnesia!
jon2
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Dama get your facts straight before attempting to criticise others. He handled the prohibited items before the incident which led to any alleged memory loss.
I was also not stating anyone should support any particular cause but was drawing attention to the fact that there are many alleged worthy causes but why should this one gain any preferential status over the others?
I was also not stating anyone should support any particular cause but was drawing attention to the fact that there are many alleged worthy causes but why should this one gain any preferential status over the others?
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Deffo time this was put on hold till any further "Actual" movements on this guys circumstances.
NorthDorset
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Thanks, I enjoy shooting wild piggies more though
Plenty them on here too.
enfieldspares
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I'd agree. Don't know the full facts but if it were a case of trying to kill as many RMs as possible...until your ammunition runs out and then, to stop them doing to YOU what you've just been trying to do to THEM...surrender.
Having had to study and learn the "rules of war" some thirty-five years ago it was always "accepted" that if you tried that on then if you then got shot, as you were trying to surrender...well tough luck.
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