bagies finger bitten off by a fox in Bromley

[MONGOOSE]

I'll bet he feels a bit stupid right now and I wonder if he is still sticking to that comment today? The telegraph has recently printed this:
October 2011

Marius Rook, five, woke to find a marauding fox in his bedroom. The animal had got in through an open window and crept up to the third floor of the house in Hackney, east London. His mother, Annette, ran to Marius' room to find her son crying and complaining about a pain in his ear. She called police who used a noose to drag the animal from their home.

June 2010

Nine-month-old twins Isabella and Lola Koupparis were savaged by a fox in their cots after it crept into their home, also in Hackney. Their parents dialled 999 after finding Isabella with deep cuts to her arm and Lola's face covered in blood. Both girls were taken to the Royal London Hospital where they were given antibiotics and had surgery.

The family underwent counselling to help them come to terms with the traumatic attack and called for more to be done by councils to control the growing number of foxes in the capital. The case sparked a national outcry as some questioned the couple's story amid fears of a backlash against urban foxes.

Later the same month toddler Jake Jermy was taken to hospital after reports he had been attacked by a fox while attending a party at a school in Brighton, East Sussex. It was understood the three-year-old was bitten on the arm after he stroked the tail of the animal, which was sticking out from under a temporary building and it then turned on him.
September 2003
Four-year-old Jessica Brown was bitten on the arm when a fox crept into her upstairs bedroom in Tufnell Park, north London, while she was sleeping.
July 2002
Peter Day told of how a fox attacked his baby son Louis at his home in Dartford, Kent. The 14-week-old suffered four puncture wounds on his head and had to be kept in hospital overnight. Mr Day said: "I came into the living room and there was a fox sitting there beside my wife. He had already done the damage to Louis. "I picked him up and chased the fox out of the house and all the way up the garden."


Although none of the above resulted in fatalities it's only a matter of time.

You are correct its only a matter of time before it happens if all these incidents are infact fox attacks then it is inevitable I would say, but what to people expect you feed an animal like that then there going to become more confident around houses and humans all the do-gooders who feed them thinking they can bloody tame them what do they think is going to happen...

 

[willowbank]

Thats just the problem, householders feeding them, we have two distinct type of fox, the country fox who will sidle away before most people spot him and the town/dustbin fox, this is the worrying one who really has no fear of humans.

I honestly believe it is just a matter of time until something serious happens a fox bite will carry all sorts of infections.

Regards WB

 

[trooper3.1]

I'll bet he feels a bit stupid right now and I wonder if he is still sticking to that comment today? The telegraph has recently printed this:
October 2011

Marius Rook, five, woke to find a marauding fox in his bedroom. The animal had got in through an open window and crept up to the third floor of the house in Hackney, east London. His mother, Annette, ran to Marius' room to find her son crying and complaining about a pain in his ear. She called police who used a noose to drag the animal from their home.

June 2010

Nine-month-old twins Isabella and Lola Koupparis were savaged by a fox in their cots after it crept into their home, also in Hackney. Their parents dialled 999 after finding Isabella with deep cuts to her arm and Lola's face covered in blood. Both girls were taken to the Royal London Hospital where they were given antibiotics and had surgery.

The family underwent counselling to help them come to terms with the traumatic attack and called for more to be done by councils to control the growing number of foxes in the capital. The case sparked a national outcry as some questioned the couple's story amid fears of a backlash against urban foxes.

Later the same month toddler Jake Jermy was taken to hospital after reports he had been attacked by a fox while attending a party at a school in Brighton, East Sussex. It was understood the three-year-old was bitten on the arm after he stroked the tail of the animal, which was sticking out from under a temporary building and it then turned on him.
September 2003
Four-year-old Jessica Brown was bitten on the arm when a fox crept into her upstairs bedroom in Tufnell Park, north London, while she was sleeping.
July 2002
Peter Day told of how a fox attacked his baby son Louis at his home in Dartford, Kent. The 14-week-old suffered four puncture wounds on his head and had to be kept in hospital overnight. Mr Day said: "I came into the living room and there was a fox sitting there beside my wife. He had already done the damage to Louis. "I picked him up and chased the fox out of the house and all the way up the garden."


Although none of the above resulted in fatalities it's only a matter of time.

Mr May would probably say it is a conspiracy and we are all in on it.

paul

 

[Nulli Secundus]

Mr May would probably say it is a conspiracy and we are all in on it.

paul

I had a look at the Field sports channel experiment with the piglet in a pram. I could not believe the comments of some people posted 9 months ago when it was aired. I am willing to bet they feel pretty stupid too today. Some of the comments were ridiculous! Specifically "this was a dead pig...of course a fox will eat it" I am presuming a helpless human baby in its own home is not on the menu then if the opportunity presents itself as in this most recent case? A fox wont run from a large free meal just because its a small child; it will take advantage of the situation which is why as a species it has been so succesful.

 

[Nulli Secundus]

An awful thought has just occured to me. The piglet in the pram experiment had a recording of a crying baby playing. Apparently 12 foxes visited the pram that night and one dragged it out of the pram. The experiment was carried out in Bromley, the same place this child was attacked recently. The implications of encouraging foxes to enter a garden and eat a piglet in a baby grow whilst baby crying noises are being played is obvious to anyone experienced in dealing with wild animals and I hope they are not linked to this experiment, which was staged as a warning not to feed foxes but I now wonder if it had a part to play in this attack. Thoughts please?

 

[MONGOOSE]

An awful thought has just occured to me. The piglet in the pram experiment had a recording of a crying baby playing. Apparently 12 foxes visited the pram that night and one dragged it out of the pram. The experiment was carried out in Bromley, the same place this child was attacked recently. The implications of encouraging foxes to enter a garden and eat a piglet in a baby grow whilst baby crying noises are being played is obvious to anyone experienced in dealing with wild animals and I hope they are not linked to this experiment, which was staged as a warning not to feed foxes but I now wonder if it had a part to play in this attack. Thoughts please?

Well it's hard to say the experiment was in jan 2012 a long time ago....

 

[JP]

Just my view, but the best thing we can do is keep our mouths shut over this (publicly and politically). We will never win the debate and frankly although I feel terribly sorry for the child and family, all we will do is highlight what we do to those who are happier in ignorance, ultimatley they reap what they sow. If you fail to control and then encourage and feed wild dogs in your garden, expect trouble.

When there are enough attacks (history shows that action is rarely taken below double firgures of fatalities in society) people will come to appreciate and respect what we do. If people ever wake up to the realities of life and death and where food comes from it will frankly be a miracle or an apocolypse! I say to my non shooting friends in jest, that come the revolution and the lights go out, within 24hrs they will all come begging me to kill them some food!

In the current climate where animals are portrayed as english speaking fluffy pets and food comes wrapped in plastic we will never be seen as anything but blood thirsty animal killers, discretion amongst our own kind is the better part of valour in the fox debacle sorry "debate" if the BBC is involved! To try to capitalise on it will be seen as merely a cynical political ploy.

Apologies, off soap box now and feel much better, thanks
JP

 

[Nulli Secundus]

Just my view, but the best thing we can do is keep our mouths shut over this (publicly and politically). We will never win the debate and frankly although I feel terribly sorry for the child and family, all we will do is highlight what we do to those who are happier in ignorance, ultimatley they reap what they sow. If you fail to control and then encourage and feed wild dogs in your garden, expect trouble.

When there are enough attacks (history shows that action is rarely taken below double firgures of fatalities in society) people will come to appreciate and respect what we do. If people ever wake up to the realities of life and death and where food comes from it will frankly be a miracle or an apocolypse! I say to my non shooting friends in jest, that come the revolution and the lights go out, within 24hrs they will all come begging me to kill them some food!

In the current climate where animals are portrayed as english speaking fluffy pets and food comes wrapped in plastic we will never be seen as anything but blood thirsty animal killers, discretion amongst our own kind is the better part of valour in the fox debacle sorry "debate" if the BBC is involved! To try to capitalise on it will be seen as merely a cynical political ploy.

Apologies, off soap box now and feel much better, thanks
JP

That is actually a very good point. Though I do think though that to not use this to our advantage would be a shame. Humane control of a pest species is not something anyone should be ashamed of and I am sure if the shoe was on the other foot the protection groups, RSPCA, antis etc. wouldn't hesitate to jump at the chance to attack our lawful activities. Perhaps that's why we are constantly under scrutiny. We aren't vocal enough and choose instead to lay low and hope people leave us alone. Just my opinion.

 

[MONGOOSE]

That is actually a very good point. Though I do think though that to not use this to our advantage would be a shame. Humane control of a pest species is not something anyone should be ashamed of and I am sure if the shoe was on the other foot the protection groups, RSPCA, antis etc. wouldn't hesitate to jump at the chance to attack our lawful activities. Perhaps that's why we are constantly under scrutiny. We aren't vocal enough and choose instead to lay low and hope people leave us alone. Just my opinion.

Your right there, I like how the RSPCA said the only time a fox would attack a human was if it felt threatened, a month old baby is not really the threatening type I feel

 

[Nulli Secundus]

Your right there, I like how the RSPCA said the only time a fox would attack a human was if it felt threatened, a month old baby is not really the threatening type I feel

As someone said earlier in this thread it is amazing that these expert opinions are left unchecked and why do they spout such obvious untruths!

 

[VSS]

That is actually a very good point. Though I do think though that to not use this to our advantage would be a shame. Humane control of a pest species is not something anyone should be ashamed of and I am sure if the shoe was on the other foot the protection groups, RSPCA, antis etc. wouldn't hesitate to jump at the chance to attack our lawful activities. Perhaps that's why we are constantly under scrutiny. We aren't vocal enough and choose instead to lay low and hope people leave us alone. Just my opinion.

Nulli,
I'm with JP on this one.
Using it to our advantage would simply get us put down as a political stunt or something. But, all things come to he who waits, as they say. A bit like fox shooting really...! If we let this one roll on it'll eventually play into our hands, surely?
Just bide our time, and watch as the RSPCA and other similar organisations gradually lose their increasingly dissillusioned band of followers... Wait a bit longer, and they'll be our supporters.

 

[Nulli Secundus]

Nulli,
I'm with JP on this one.
Using it to our advantage would simply get us put down as a political stunt or something. But, all things come to he who waits, as they say. A bit like fox shooting really...! If we let this one roll on it'll eventually play into our hands, surely?
Just bide our time, and watch as the RSPCA and other similar organisations gradually lose their increasingly dissillusioned band of followers... Wait a bit longer, and they'll be our supporters.

Agreed but it may take the loss of a child to get there which would be tragic. It would be much more beneficial to our sport if people woke up to the fact that animals do need to be managed.

 

[willowbank]

About two years ago I had a phonecall from a friend whose daughter was actually living in fear daily, a fox having presumably been used to being fed on a regular basis was visiting her small, well fenced with 6ft panels, back garden and doing its business etc, generally hanging around and never far away.

This was on a fairly large landscaped housing estate, they had only recently brought home a newborn baby boy and being mid summer were accustomed to having all the windows open for fresh air in the house.... you get the picture?

They actually became prisoners not being able to leave doors or windows open, this was at about the same time that the twins were attacked in south London so they were scared.

All I could offer was to remove it for them, which I did, permanently.

There must be many more young couples in similar situations, brought about by thoughtless neighbours feeding foxes.

Regards WB

 

[Nulli Secundus]

About two years ago I had a phonecall from a friend whose daughter was actually living in fear daily, a fox having presumably been used to being fed on a regular basis was visiting her small, well fenced with 6ft panels, back garden and doing its business etc, generally hanging around and never far away.

This was on a fairly large landscaped housing estate, they had only recently brought home a newborn baby boy and being mid summer were accustomed to having all the windows open for fresh air in the house.... you get the picture?


They actually became prisoners not being able to leave doors or windows open, this was at about the same time that the twins were attacked in south London so they were scared.

All I could offer was to remove it for them, which I did, permanently.

There must be many more young couples in similar situations, brought about by thoughtless neighbours feeding foxes.

Regards WB

It does make you wonder. It is odd that if a stray dog was on the loose the authorities would be called and it would be impounded; yet people are happy to let a truly wild dog (fox) run around with impunity and actually encourage them by leaving food out. Pit bulls have attacked kids and the breed has been banned and any found are destroyed. I believe other breeds of so called dangerous dogs have to be muzzled and leashed in urban areas, yet foxes can just roam around even though they have also been proven to attack children. As fox shooters and deer stalkers we get more than our fair share of bad press, sometimes I'm forced to just scratch my head in disbelief at the naiivety of the general public!

 

[jimbo1984]

Agreed but it may take the loss of a child to get there which would be tragic. It would be much more beneficial to our sport if people woke up to the fact that animals do need to be managed.

While I agree it's tragic that this is what it will take I think it shows the moronic views not just of the RSPCA but also of the general public! My response when such a tradegy happens will be to say its a lie as the RSPCA and Brian may say its not possible and let's face it they know better than any of us

 

[NorthDorset]

Nearly at a level now where Foxes will be banned.

Just a big public outcry needed and The Sun will jump on the bandwagon, just leaving the politicians to make some hasty legislation.


Maybe they will repeal the anti fox hunting legislation?


*cynicism ends*

 

[finnbear270]

We should all bow to the Mighty KWIS!.............. a proper nerd, all that was missing was his mate Brian.

 

[sharkbait]

Might add 'screaming baby' to my foxpro!

 

[sharkbait]

About two years ago I had a phonecall from a friend whose daughter was actually living in fear daily, a fox having presumably been used to being fed on a regular basis was visiting her small, well fenced with 6ft panels, back garden and doing its business etc, generally hanging around and never far away.

This was on a fairly large landscaped housing estate, they had only recently brought home a newborn baby boy and being mid summer were accustomed to having all the windows open for fresh air in the house.... you get the picture?

They actually became prisoners not being able to leave doors or windows open, this was at about the same time that the twins were attacked in south London so they were scared.

All I could offer was to remove it for them, which I did, permanently.

There must be many more young couples in similar situations, brought about by thoughtless neighbours feeding foxes.

Regards WB

yep I agree, if you've got a problem fox and can't shoot them in situ then trap them take them out to your permission and put one in the back of the head

 

[bewsher500]

yep I agree, if you've got a problem fox and can't shoot them in situ then trap them take them out to your permission and put one in the back of the head

technically opening yourself up to all sorts of transgressions.

much better to despatch on site (and sight!)