Potential new stalking show

[Shavesgreen]

Your thoughts please – We have been discussing the idea of starting a new weekly stalking show which we would host through YouTube. We want it to be fun and informative for new stalkers and the more experienced without just being about trigger time and advertising. Please feel free to tell us what you do and don`t like about this kind of show, subjects you would like covered and anything else you feel would help us get it right from the start...

 

[nicholiath]

Definitely! Love this idea.

 

[unicorn71]

Great idea, and no Pete Carr double bonus

 

[Pine Marten]

This is a tall order but here’s what I’d really like to see. I would like to see programmes on stalking/shooting/hunting that convey something of the atmosphere, emotions and ethos of what we do rather than just the technical aspects and scorekeeping. This means that the photography has to do justice to the surroundings and the quarry. There may well not be any need to anyone to say very much for most it, just let the viewer drink it up visually. After all, stalking doesn’t involve much talking. There’s a place for “how to” sections and people talking about their rifles and Gore-Tex, but as an aside, not the main thrust of it. Similarly you need to film some actual shooting and some dead animals, but this should be done tastefully and showing respect to the animal. We know that things don’t go to plan sometimes, that animals are wounded, that’s there’s gore involved. The programmes shouldn’t shy away from what we do. But they should stress the context that it’s just the final act of a lengthy effort, and the beginning of the next process: turning the quarry into food.

I’m rambling a bit here but broadly, something more like “A Passion for Angling” was for fishing in the 90s and not so much like a Premiership football best goals compilation.

 

[Shavesgreen]

Pine Marten you have nailed the idea with that post.

 

[Wingy]

Great idea, a very broad range of subjects could be covered not just the "shooting deer" a few bits could be history of our 6 species, their habitat and the damage they do hence why they need to be controlled not just for protection of everything else but also for their own well being.
Rifle selection, scope & ammunition choise and setting up, testing & zero
Cover DSC 1&2 showing the competence of stalkers
After a shot you should show the full gralloch in detail (with graphic warnings) then the game dealer process, giving an insight from field to plate thus promoting venison as the best organic meat on the market. The list goes on & on

 

[Tamus]

Most sports need to actually be participated in to be understood, in essence.

Most sports that have been televised have "in essence" been ruined by that process... IMHO.

 

[Shavesgreen]

Most sports need to actually be participated in to be understood, in essence.

Most sports that have been televised have "in essence" been ruined by that process... IMHO.

Please expand on how they have been ruined? We just need guidance in how to get it right and are not experts in film making.

 

[Alexj]

PM, as I started to read your post, my mind wandered and I thought of that lovely programme "passion for angling" lo and behold, great minds think alike, even my wife loved that programme!

Alex

 

[Pine Marten]

Great idea, a very broad range of subjects could be covered not just the "shooting deer" a few bits could be history of our 6 species, their habitat and the damage they do hence why they need to be controlled not just for protection of everything else but also for their own well being.
Rifle selection, scope & ammunition choise and setting up, testing & zero
Cover DSC 1&2 showing the competence of stalkers
After a shot you should show the full gralloch in detail (with graphic warnings) then the game dealer process, giving an insight from field to plate thus promoting venison as the best organic meat on the market. The list goes on & on

I know this sounds a bit nebulous, but I think it's important to avoid making deliberately promotional films with an agenda. Just show it a little bit prettier than it actually is, but focusing on how it should be, and then let the viewer come to their own conclusions, which are hopefully the ones you wanted to nudge them towards. But then of course this assumes that the viewers aren't just stalkers. I'm thinking more along the lines of anyone who's interested. It's going to be on YouTube so you could measure your impact by how many comments it takes on average before anyone calls someone else a Nazi or makes disparaging remarks on their sexuality.

 

[Pine Marten]

Please expand on how they have been ruined? We just need guidance in how to get it right and are not experts in film making.

Here's an example. Recently, there was a televised series on Quest (no, I'd never noticed that channel either) called "In the footsteps of Mr Crabtree". It was really very good, and did all of the things I said before. Except that some producer kept editing it in such a way that the prevailing impression it left on the non-angling public (Mrs Pine Marten in this case) was - and I quote - "They caught a fish! And now a big fish! And ooooh an even bigger fish!". That producer messed up an otherwise great programme by crowbarring in what was the fishing equivalent of a greatest goals compilation. That ruined it. It's not interesting to people who aren't already into it and therefore able to imagine all the things that led up to the even bigger fish being landed.

 

[LuckyEddie]

Think Out of Town with Jack Hargraves or Petrel or Country Gun in the Shooting Times.
Most shows and mags have become to clinical and forgotten the grass roots (even the BASC mag with the lady writer spouting forth about issues in London - sorry but I don't feel that is aimed at readers/members like me)
Us mere mortals don't have loads of money so a used/second hand review.
How about items where limits are set for a rifle/scope and stalking permission say £1500 and see what can be achieved.
items where the viewers can suggest a best practice or kit that they use and why.

List is endless but that would do for now.

Ed

 

[Shavesgreen]

I know this sounds a bit nebulous, but I think it's important to avoid making deliberately promotional films with an agenda. Just show it a little bit prettier than it actually is, but focusing on how it should be, and then let the viewer come to their own conclusions, which are hopefully the ones you wanted to nudge them towards. But then of course this assumes that the viewers aren't just stalkers. I'm thinking more along the lines of anyone who's interested. It's going to be on YouTube so you could measure your impact by how many comments it takes on average before anyone calls someone else a Nazi or makes disparaging remarks on their sexuality.

Definitely where we`re aiming, focus on real world stalkers and methods. "A passion for angling" is a strong influence for this project.... Quiet, informative and above all fun.

 

[Tamus]

Please expand on how they have been ruined? We just need guidance in how to get it right and are not experts in film making.

Personal attainment in sport is not about spectacle. The true sportsman endeavours to do better than himself not provide spectacle for others. Modern, especially televised or otherwise "broadcast", sport may well start out showing you the individual or team attempting to better them/their selves for the pure joy and satisfaction that brings but has invariably gravitated to the "spectacular" to retain the interest/attention of a non participating "viewership"... that has fundamentally changed all the sports which have been exposed to such attention.... and not, in my opinion, for the better. Sorry.

 

[Shavesgreen]

We do need suggestions for a name, nothing too outlandish or crass, that sits well in the keywords associated with Uk stalking. Ideas anyone?

 

[Adamant]

Try and keep the blatant product placement and sponsorship to a minimum - I find most of the Fieldsports tV and Shooting Channel stuff virtually unwatchable due to the endless clumsy product placement. It make magazines like Sporting Rifle unreadable too.

I don't mind honest consumer testing and comparisons but the endless 'I raised the Germanski Unobtanium 3-14x56 MK26 scope to my eye and fired my Chuck Norris Trouser-Trout .270-08 rifle at the passing beaver' stuff really tiresome.

 

[Glendine]

Looking forward to the show. I hope us SD memebers get first preview.
Glendine.

 

[Pine Marten]

(even the BASC mag with the lady writer spouting forth about issues in London - sorry but I don't feel that is aimed at readers/members like me)

Ed

I'm a London BASC member and I don't think that Mayfair Lady reflects me very much either... I understand though that BASC does a lot of fundraising and the like with some of their better-heeled membership in London, but the Bishop's Park game barbecue at something like £100 a head was just daft. Well, from my perspective. It may well have worked a treat for plenty of others. I think that column is mostly supposed to be a bit of fun though.

 

[Shavesgreen]

Personal attainment in sport is not about spectacle. The true sportsman endeavours to do better than himself not provide spectacle for others. Modern, especially televised or otherwise "broadcast", sport may well start out showing you the individual or team attempting to better them/their selves for the pure joy and satisfaction that brings but has invariably gravitated to the "spectacular" to retain the interest/attention of a non participating "viewership"... that has fundamentally changed all the sports which have been exposed to such attention.... and not, in my opinion, for the better. Sorry.

Tamus,
It all comes down to funding I guess. Once you sell out to a big name you are in their pocket. We will be self funding this project and I`m not even advertising my own stalking through it. It`s for stalkers by stalkers and we will attempt to remain impartial and fresh for as long as possible. The down side is that we won`t be off on 5* shooting breaks with brand new kit but who lives that life anyway?

 

[Pine Marten]

We do need suggestions for a name, nothing too outlandish or crass, that sits well in the keywords associated with Uk stalking. Ideas anyone?

"Pine Marten's EXTREME DEERHUNTING CHALLENGE!".