Sauer out the box accuracy (not )

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bri2506

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A friend has just taken charge of a sauer 243, with quick release mounting system developed by sauer for a sauer. This pretty setup has cost him in the ball park of £6500.
He has been playing around with different rounds and the best grouping gained was 3 inch, mainy 3 together and a couple of flyers out of 5 shot groups. No order as in the barrel heating up just random combinations.
So after speaking to sauer they confirmed there had a problem with the mounting system he then booked an appointment and today was the day of reckoning..........

After a long drive down and several different rounds tested by sauer in bench rest conditions they produced their test results. A 2 1/2 inch group............
According to sauer this more than acceptable group?

He owns quite a few rifles tikka, x bolts, Cz, all these rifles with factory ammo with a bit of tinkering have produced 3/4 to an inch groups.
i have a semi custom and a standard sako and anshutz but load my own but all these group less than 3/4 inch with factory ammo. All my rifles wouldn't cost the same as a his sauer.


The question I'm asking is, are we expecting too much from this rifle.

​Cause I think I'd rather own the cheapest 40 quid secondhand battered unloved piece of s..t that shoots 3/4 inch all day than spend £6500 on a pretty lovely crafted piece of engineering than put in to field conditions you would be luck to hit deer at 50 yards in the vitals.
 
Is that Sauer's view or Garland's view ? My .243 Sauer stutzen will put 5 shot groups @ 70gr under 1/2", 85 gr 1/2 -3/4", But 90 gr open up to 2" all at 100m.
Would NOT be happy at 2.5" ! Mine was used and less than a grand.
 
I have 2 Sauer 202s (.243 & .308) both sub 1" at 100 yds with either my home loads or RWS factory. There is something way wrong with yours, and no way can anyone say a 2.5" group is acceptable.
 
Shot plenty of 202's, always been very very accurate with lots of different ammo.

Something is seriously wrong. Where did he buy it?

I don't remember that being an acceptable group at the factory testing.
 
See if you can get someone to borescope it as Sauer had a "problem" with it's barrel manufacturing process not so long ago. Your friend may have got one of those lemons.

IMHO Sako is the way to go. None of their rifles leave the factory if they won't group 1" or less (shot by a human being not a machine).

Best of luck
 
definitely something wrong there. My 6.5x55 shoots 1/2 to 3/4 no probs. I would be sending back for refund. There is always the chance of a lemon, no reason they just happen.
 
Completely unacceptable . . .I doubt Sauer would be getting told to stick it where the sun don't shine.
I would expect even the cheapest of the factory offering to shoot significantly tighter groups than that.

Just out of interest, what twist rate does it have . . .and what weight of bullets did they / he try ?
 
Generally speaking, it seems the acceptable industry standard is 1" or better at 100m, or yards, depending on the manufacturer.

2.5" is unacceptable for a hunting rifle, and not fit for purpose, in my humble opinion. Let alone the very reasonable expectation associated with buying such a rifle.

The accepted target area on a deer is roughly 4" in diameter. It's not unreasonable to shoot out to 200m +, even if it isn't the most common distance, but at 200m, this rifle couldn't guaranty a humane shot.

I would absolutely back the rifle as unfit for purpose.


Mark.
 
Its been sent to a local gun smith that builds competition rifles and shoots himself for an independent report then report back his findings to sauer.
Then I think if there is no joy then there will be a serious lawful ass whooping. He owns a large company and is nt scared of using all his solicitors to get a result.
It was garlands that he went to see.
 
Had a Mannlicher 270 that shot the same groups size, it had quick release mounts, when changed for weaver type mounts problem solved. I have a 202 it shoots sub 1" at 100 yds all day, useualy two touching and one half an inch away, so they are accurate dependable, well made rifles. Why use quich detachable mounts, as an engineer, they have to be less stable than a setup that has a solid fitted stable build. That performance is not acceptable, and it would be an easy situation to see if the mounts are the problem, if so change them. You do not have to accept a product that does not perform to an acceptable standard. deerwarden
 
First try some RWS ammo. If it shoots bad with RWS, the rifle or scope or mount has a problem. Then try to shoot it with open sights, in good conditions , on 20/25 meters. At that distance it should almost be 1 big hole. Than you know the problem isn't the rifle.........
 
feck that could have got a hand built rifle made by a maiden from the far east for less and a **** after compleated with change ! top end rifle or may be not it seams :doh:my old rem could do better that and i scrapped it :rofl:
 
Hales Smut said:
First try some RWS ammo. If it shoots bad with RWS, the rifle or scope or mount has a problem. Then try to shoot it with open sights, in good conditions , on 20/25 meters. At that distance it should almost be 1 big hole. Than you know the problem isn't the rifle.........
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When garlands tested the rifle they were using there ammo, surely they would know what the sauer would like.
 
They might, but nothing beats RWS ( on average). I don't knwo what brand they sell, but they will use what they have.
 
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