Sauer out the box accuracy (not )
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Ronin
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I believe the originating post was made in good faith (bri2506)
I dont think anything is to be gained by continuing the thread.
Several people shot the rifle, including myself, all had varied results - just goes to show that not every rifle brand suits every shooter.
Perhaps it should be left at that.
I dont think anything is to be gained by continuing the thread.
Several people shot the rifle, including myself, all had varied results - just goes to show that not every rifle brand suits every shooter.
Perhaps it should be left at that.
john_little
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My tuppence worth, twenty year old Sauer 202 18” standard ported barrel, Nosler 150gr ballistic tips, 44.5gr H4895 CCI benchrest primer in Lapua cases. Three in the 8 at 50 metres and two in the 4 at 100 metres, good to 250 metres if I do my bit on the big bits. Rifleman Firearms range on Monday morning. Chap shooting 6.5 Creedmoor shot even better groups at 100 metres.
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john_little
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My tuppence worth, twenty year old Sauer 202 18” standard ported barrel, Nosler 150gr ballistic tips, 44.5gr H4895 CCI benchrest primer in Lapua cases. Three in the 8 at 50 metres and two in the 4 at 100 metres, good to 250 metres if I do my bit on the big bits. Rifleman Firearms range on Monday morning. Chap shooting 6.5 Creedmoor shot even better groups at 100 metres.
SAUER20222250
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My 4 Sauer 202's hate RWS, Sako ammo but ❤ Federal, Winchester and i have stuck with Federal Power shok.
john_little
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I’ve only ever put 40 factory rounds through my 202, just to get some fire formed cases, Norma back then and about the time they were have some bother with some of their ammo. The 150gr soft points were ok, if I recall correctly. Did load some 110gr for foxes, they were ok, but the 150 BTs have always been good
There isn't one.
In theory, you could buy a bargain basement sporting rifle and a top tier custom and shoot them both with the same ammo for comparison.
If they were clamped in a vice and all external variables removed there is a possibility that the cheap rifle could out-shoot the super expensive custom one.
However, this is incredibly unlikely as the former could probably be churned out and assembled in less than a day whereas the latter will have been checked (you would hope!) at every stage for faults in the materials, component tolerance and test fired after finally assembly (all of which takes a long time, adding to cost).
Going back to the point about 'the same ammo', you could argue that this is too big a variable and ultimate accuracy can only be found through extensive load development for that particular rifle. Taking load development to such an extreme that every single variable and combination is explored will probably wear the barrel out (shooting a single 3 shot group is not doing it properly) so it is better to start in the ballpark and call it a day once the goal (hopefully realistic) has been achieved.
I would argue that a sporting rifle does not need to be sub MOA. Of course we all want them to be but more often than not I would wager that:
1- Most shooters are not good enough to hold (not shoot) the rifle steadier than 1 MOA, especially at distance. Can you keep the crosshairs within a one inch circle at 100 yards freehand, without a bipod and rear bag/support?
I can't but then again I don't claim to be good.
2- If you are deer stalking and need a follow-up shot, it is highly unlikely that the deer is going to be standing stone still in the same place as when the first shot was fired (like a target) unless you missed completely with the first shot, and that is your fault.
So, no point really.
I've had three Sauer 202s over the years in various calibres, all shot very well indeed, from dealing with Sauer directly some years ago I would not think they would be particularly happy with one of theirs that shot that badly.
Was the 3'' group at 450 m ? i would take that 
Stalker62
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It turned out that the rifle shot just fine according to the guy that shot it - sauer never ever said 2.5” was fine, it was garlands: and frankly from what I’ve seen the guy that you talk to there is a bit of a ****. Steve Beaty at Ivythorn is far more pleasant from my experience.
my 202 has been faultless and so have all the other ones I’ve heard of, so much so I’ve just bought another 2nd hand 202 over a brand new 101 Pantera. (Good advice from Ivythorn that backed up what I was already thinking)
I think sauers are hard to beat where it be the accuracy, bolt or the system, if I had to find a fault it would be the alloy actions that some had mounting threads fail on but this was fixed by Sauer.
I think some people Want to bash slightly higher end equipment sometimes. Some people will say a Hawke is as good as a Z6 but people who have used them usually know better!
regards,
Gixer.
my 202 has been faultless and so have all the other ones I’ve heard of, so much so I’ve just bought another 2nd hand 202 over a brand new 101 Pantera. (Good advice from Ivythorn that backed up what I was already thinking)
I think sauers are hard to beat where it be the accuracy, bolt or the system, if I had to find a fault it would be the alloy actions that some had mounting threads fail on but this was fixed by Sauer.
I think some people Want to bash slightly higher end equipment sometimes. Some people will say a Hawke is as good as a Z6 but people who have used them usually know better!
regards,
Gixer.
Similar happened to me with a Mauser M12. I bought a new sound moderator at the same time, MAE.
After fifteen rounds of Sako and Norma and 2"-3" groupat 100m I tried it without a mod' and with another mod'. In both instances the group shrunk to below 1MOA, as advertised! It wasn't the rifle, it was the new MAE! You don't say anything about a sound moderator being fitted?
Ooops.
Just read the 6 pages. Cancel my last, Out.
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The Op's "mate" should have invested in a rear bag.
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john_little
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Or a decent saddle mount!
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