Wish me luck

There's nothing wrong with a front on chest shot on fallow. You can't be too fussy with fallow. Their eye sight is too good. You know where the heart is so hit it. If a fallow has seen you and it's standing in a shootable position (ie backstop and not facing away from you) then shoot the heart. There was never a need for you to take a neck shot though and especially not on your first deer! Those sort of suggestions don't impress me much.
Good luck
Baguio
 
Last edited:
Give me a pm, I will take you out for two stalks after Christmas for free to try and get your first deer. No promises but we will try. W or e Sussex.
 
Hang in there buddy, I had your luck when I started out and several members off this site took me out to try and get me onto my first deer. I got the same feeling as you thinking I was jinxed but it all started coming together. All the best for tomorrow and I hope we are reading a cracking story that you have grassed your first beast.
 
Hi all and thanks for the encouragement. Fantastic offer from Sikamalc, unfortunately I live in West Yorkshire and Sussex is a bit far for my old vehicle.

As to the weekend. Had two potentials.
Number one, fallow buck but could only see its head over the top of a wheat crop. Close enough and safe enough. He looked at us, we looked at him for a couple of minutes, his head bobing up and down as he fed. Then he pranced off bouncing through the crop.
Number two, just before close of play, light going fast, there on a steep hillside was a roe, head down eating. Sticks up, check with binos, no it's a doe. Her mate was further up the hill but no chance of a clear shot. To rub salt into the wound, a fellow stalker, who we'd dropped off at another site, shot a fallow buck within 15 mins of starting.

I would add, reading some replies, that I'm quite happy with the two stalkers I've tried. I'm putting my lack of success down to luck, all bad, or the hunting gods being vindictive.

As to whether I give up? No chance, it's only been two years. My luck has to change sometime although I'm starting to think I've more chance of winning big on the lottery.
 
Hi all interested in a front on fallow shot ? Where does the bullet end up then ?
Slightly off. thread I know .
Keep at it you will get one and well done you for keeping patience and waiting for the right shot for you
cheers
​tom
 
Last edited:
Hi all interested in a front on fallow shot ? Where does the bullet end up then ?
Slightly off. thread I know .
Keep at it you will get one and well done you for keeping patience and waiting for the right shot for you
cheers
​tom

Depends on the angle of entry, but sometimes lodged in the haunch, or straight through at an angle and through the rumen which makes a bloody big mess inside and the carcase unfit to put in the public food chain.
 
There's nothing wrong with a front on chest shot on fallow. You can't be too fussy with fallow. Their eye sight is too good. You know where the heart is so hit it. If a fallow has seen you and it's standing in a shootable position (ie backstop and not facing away from you) then shoot the heart. There was never a need for you to take a neck shot though and especially not on your first deer! Those sort of suggestions don't impress me much.
Good luck
Baguio

dont agree with this at all I'm afraid! Unless your role is purely to kill deer and make a mess with no intention of entering the carcass into the food chain. Front on shots to the chest make a hideous mess as Malc has mentioned, and with the risk of messing up your haunches too.
 
Yes this is what I suspected , and was getting someone to put it in writing ! That is some of the craziest advice I have heard by baguio ! Yes you would kill any deer but would totally destroy the carcass ! Since deer are not treated as vermin or shouldn't be I think we should think before we post sometimes ! Unless you just shoot deer as vermin then maybe this is not the site for you as it is a stalking site .
Regards
​tom
 
Last edited:
Yes this is what I suspected , and was getting someone to put it in writing ! That is some of the craziest advice I have heard by baguio ! Yes you would kill any deer but would totally destroy the carcass ! Since deer are not treated as vermin or shouldn't be I think we should think before we post sometimes ! Unless you just shoot deer as vermin then maybe this is not the site for you as it is a stalking site .
Regards
​tom
Perhaps this site is not for you Tom so stop being so rude because I can do rude with the best of them! Any shot including perfect broad side shots can damage the carcass and break the rumen if they hit bone at the wrong angle. We all hope that it comes off perfectly with a nice exit wound out of the opposite side but I can assure you that it doesn't always work out like that. Bullets do funny things. However I have taken front on chest shots on fallow as have many people on here who are far more experienced than me and have shot far more deer than me. I have not ended up with a mess at all. But I did end up with dead fallow which is more than the OP did! Maybe you should try it before slating me. What about the comment on neck shooting the first deer they ever shot? You're strangely quiet about that advice? High chance of wounding with this one but you say nothing!
Oddly when the front on chest shot on large species was brought up on here by a well known regular poster not one person said that it was wrong and a large amount of people agreed that it was a good shot to take when none other was on. Strange that don't you think????? Additionally at least one of the previous two posters to you will have seen the thread and also said Nothing against it and probably agreed with it! Perhaps it's just a case of if you have 3000+ posts you must be listened to. If not then you must be clueless? Sorry but on this basis it doesn't look like your posts are worth reading!
So before you post a reply perhaps you should think about it yourself. Post what you think and not just jump on the band wagon of the previous posters to make yourself look good because to me it looks like you haven't got a mind of your own!
Baguio
 
Last edited:
Yes this is what I suspected , and was getting someone to put it in writing ! That is some of the craziest advice I have heard by baguio ! Yes you would kill any deer but would totally destroy the carcass ! Since deer are not treated as vermin or shouldn't be I think we should think before we post sometimes ! Unless you just shoot deer as vermin then maybe this is not the site for you as it is a stalking site .
Regards
​tom

Good point Tom well put
 
Well fair enough it could be seen as a bit rude so for this. I apologise .however I stand by my post in the fact that shooting deer front on is an effective method of killing deer but not if you want to use the carcass ,agreed a slight angle can be suitable ,I am well aware bullets do strange things but I can imagine 9 times out of ten a deer shot from the front chest on will be a bloody mess inside ! That is what the bullet is meant to do . As a forum for stalkers of all abilities surely we should all be encouraging good practice if we want to use the venison after a beast is shot .so we will have to disagree on this one and I will leave it at that ,
regards
​Tom
 
This site is for everyone, and sometimes we don't agree, but keep it polite. Takes a good man to apologise as well.
 
Well fair enough it could be seen as a bit rude so for this. I apologise .however I stand by my post in the fact that shooting deer front on is an effective method of killing deer but not if you want to use the carcass ,agreed a slight angle can be suitable ,I am well aware bullets do strange things but I can imagine 9 times out of ten a deer shot from the front chest on will be a bloody mess inside ! That is what the bullet is meant to do . As a forum for stalkers of all abilities surely we should all be encouraging good practice if we want to use the venison after a beast is shot .so we will have to disagree on this one and I will leave it at that ,
regards
​Tom
Apologies accepted. I am aware of all abilities which is why I mentioned neck shooting being wrong for novices. One should consider how often the deer is so dead centre facing that the bullet will not exit through either shoulder or rear of shoulder forward of the diaphragm. Next consider how powerful your cartridge is. From my experience a 25-06 117 grain shooting at 2 year old fallow or older at 70 metres or more and dead front on does not exit at all or enter the rumen. No mess, all energy absorbed and the deer don't go far either and are certainly not wounded! Therefore if you're using a .243 IMO it's definitely on!
However at no time am I suggesting taking this shot on smaller deer than fallow because yes I agree that the gralloch is not going to be pretty.
Baguio
 
Tom just curious why deer cannot be treated as vermin, I can assure you that having 70+ deer eating your grass every day does make them vermin.
 
Tom just curious why deer cannot be treated as vermin, I can assure you that having 70+ deer eating your grass every day does make them vermin.

Just because they may cause you damage and you may class them as such, surely doesn't mean you treat them with any less respect, and surely also, pest or not, it would be a criminal waste of good venison for them not to end up in the food chain, so logic would prevail and lean you towards treating them as a food item, in which case, taking shots which in all likelihood will cause major internal damage affecting meat hygiene would be used as a last resort and not conveyed as being totally acceptable.......
 
Back
Top