RE land rover defender demise

Please!!! I accept many of the valid points on the Landy, however shod with the same tyres I would put my HOUSE on the Defender off road against an Hilux!! For all its bad points, its Off road ability is simply 2nd to none (PS; I owned a Hilux for 3yr, went back to the Landy, for its off-road capability and its quirky nature that You learn to live with, much like the Wife :)

you won't have to live with her long if she reads that!;)
 
The Defender has the potential to be a truly excellent vehicle, but Land Rover just don't seem to grasp its short comings. In stock form its excellent off road, but lacks reliability, and sadly like most modern vehicles, the amount of computerisation means they are less and less easy to work on at home.

If 20 year ago, Land Rover had sought the advice from a number of Land Rover enthusiasts/off roaders, they could have made the Land Rover as trye world beater.. Jeep got it right with their Rubicon, and Land Rover were foolish not to follow suit..
 
It isn't just 20 years ago, back in the mid 60s LR sent some people out to Ngamiland and spoke to the people who lived and worked out there. They were given a list of requests not one was acted on and everybody went Jap. They have just taken over 40 years to write the obituary that was the inevitable result of pig headed british management in the motor sector. I am afraid they were sure they knew better than the paying customer, hence RIP the motor industry as a British owned entity in both two and four wheeled form. Very sad really.

David.
 
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Call it a luxury if you will (irony not lost given the lack of comfort!) but I purchased a Defender for one reason only and red-dot has it covered all the way.

My only disappointment is the chassis is not galvanised and it took them until 2006 to get the on-road gear box/ratios right. All the other shortcomings I can live with.
Cheers

K
 
Somewhere in the world there is someone having their life saved by someone driving a Defender... A real ICON??
 
ha ha ha ha ha ha , just buy what you like ?

i've tried allsorts and the landy comes up short in all respects except 'image'

to the guy who said about drum brakes on the back of toyotas , LR beligerently continued fitting them to the front for years after discs became popular!

off road , nothing in it with the same tires like for like.
 
nothing against blaser , just don't get what the fuss is about? i'll stick to my reliable old turnbolt...........
 
which you need when the ball snaps of the end of your landrover gear stick!

Used to snap on the old series 11s but at the gear box end not the ball end usually left enough to get a hold of with vise grips so effective I drove around for two years with a set instead of a gear lever.
 
Used to snap on the old series 11s but at the gear box end not the ball end usually left enough to get a hold of with vise grips so effective I drove around for two years with a set instead of a gear lever.

theres a ball on the selector end at the gearbox
 
correct don't know the correct name for that turret on top of the gearbox holding that ball you mention but a friend
mounted one on a big cibie spotlight thus giving me a roof mounted fully manoeuvrable spotlight operating from the drivers seat a bit agricultural looking on a fancy motor but it was fine on an old Landrover, cheaper than a bought one, a lot cheaper free in fact.
 
correct don't know the correct name for that turret on top of the gearbox holding that ball you mention but a friend
mounted one on a big cibie spotlight thus giving me a roof mounted fully manoeuvrable spotlight operating from the drivers seat a bit agricultural looking on a fancy motor but it was fine on an old Landrover, cheaper than a bought one, a lot cheaper free in fact.

under that there is a small ball that slides in the selectors , that snaps of as well but only at the most inconvienient times as per all landys ! fecking things make my teeth itch!
 
they only snap if you try to change gear like a racing driver :doh:or don't know how to work a non synchro gearbox:cool: land rovers are so basic anyone with half a mechanical mind can bodge a get you home fix
 
Love 'em or hate 'em, everyone has their opinions - series 3 - the BL years, what else is there to say... :british:

I bought my first one in the early 1990's a 1960 SWB petrol Series 2 soft top; an afternoon in the workshop had it stripped down to the bare essentials and a list of welding jobs made. After evening and weekend tinkering it was back on the road with not much more than the welding and a set of new tyres - oh and a set of seats out of a Cortina Ghia as some scrote pinched my nice original grey 'elephant hide' vinyl seats out of it.

Since then I have always had at least one Landrover of some description and at the moment my shooting truck is a 1995 90 Station Wagon that I bought in 2002.

11 years on and that 90 (don't like the name Defender it's a marketing gimmick) is still going strong, yes it needed a clutch fork at the usual 80,000 odd miles but it was easy enough to do; rear cross member replaced 5 years ago and aside from the odd light bulb nothing else replaced (so far... fingers crossed... tempting fate here...).

Enough room in the back for three spaniels (yes I know... :banghead:) sitting on a wooden shelf supported over the seat frames and room enough for the carcass box underneath (it's a closed lid one so no dog slobber on dead fallow before anyone says anything about best practice etc.)

Last year on the shoot where I pick up there was me in the 90 with the game/beaters trailer on the back and two others in L200s, one of which was almost just out of the showroom, all on similar all terrain tyres. I went first along the side of a field - imagine a side slope on an uphill incline covered in mud... was a bit slippery but not so as to require use of the diff lock (can't recommend Grabber AT2 tyres highly enough).

Having got to the point where we park up there was no sight of the L200s behind me. Looking back across and down the field there they were, both L200s sat with the wheels all spinning - couldn't go forward, couldn't go backwards. That's traction control for you - all four wheels going the same speed, computer says the vehicle must be going forward... :rofl:

Being the kind and considerate person I am :norty: I laughed and left them to it! Eventually they both managed to reverse out of field and the dogs got a nice long walk to the drive!!

Yes, you need to open the drivers window to get your elbow out, yes they are a bit on the noisy side, etc. but at 6'3" I can get in and out easily even wearing the wet weather gear and bush hat. My mates have a variety of Mitsubishi's, Toyotas, Nissans etc - one even had a Ford Ranger till the medication started to work :cuckoo:, but none of them go anywhere I can't follow and I used to hate to have to drive an '04 plate Hilux on a shoot I went to as leg room and driving position in it was appalling.

Personally I think that Landrover have missed a trick, they kept the old Defender going too long and stuffing a Transit engine in it rather than developing a new version to compete with the various 4 door double cab offerings on the market today was plain daft.

The 'new' Defender looks carp IMO and if and when I ever need to replace the old 90 (why would I when I can buy a galvanised chassis and galvanised bulkhead together with all the other bits that simply unbolt when they're worn out or rusted through from any number of specialist suppliers) I am afraid it will not be for anything Japanese - current favourite is a VW Amarok.

Now there's a thought, why did the design team at LR not think of doing a vehicle like the Amarok... car comfort and performance, economy to boot, large load area, sensible styling, practical to use, etc.

Hmmm, end of an era; I remember when I was a boy and Landrovers had corners and flat sides...:old:
 
As in lots of flat surfaces to drill holes in for all those aftermarket bits & bobs.

Just finishing off a pumped water supply from an outlet just right of the numberplate light. Such is the pressure you could hose out a poorly shot carcass in 30 seconds! Now that's what I call "foooooking" best practice!

K
 
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