6.5/284matt
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Bit about boar and lynx. You've missed it now but worth a look on i player.
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PointBlank
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They did say each lynx will take at least 50 roe a year, just how many do you have on your cull target? You will save yourself a fortune on ammunition and will be able to sell those rifles as well! Quids in.
pheasant sniper 1
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That did make me chuckle Kev
CWMMAN3738
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Not far from the truth probably, I expect they'll want a ban on shooting in the area their released into so as to allow them to become established Naturally lol
Hayduke
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Boar are back and here to stay.
And as Roy Dennis states there is plenty of food available for lynx, social and political perceptions are the problem. Fortunately more of the general population are in favour of reintroductions and there is a growing number of wealthy and landed supporters backing it. 50 roe from 100 to 1,000km2 home range is not a big number. They will also take rabbit, foxes and smaller prey - so 50 is a high estimate. Despite our efforts, disease, RTAs the trend is an increase in deer populations and ranges (BDS & DI). I don't mind sharing deer if our reduced and comparatively boring fauna can be restored somewhat.
In Belgium, Germany - Bavaria, Harz, France - Vosages, Jura, Switzerland, Austria, Italy, Poland, Slovakia, Baltic states, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Czech Republic, Bosnia, Hertzegovina etc where Lynx numbers are stable or increasing hunters are not flogging their guns.
sikamalc
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Hmm don't think your ideas of Lynx would go down well in Finland. There the Lynx population has exploded, especially in northern Finland. The Roe population has crashed in some areas, and on my friends farm near Pippolla he reckons he know has too many Lynx and now no Roe deer and this seems to be the case across many areas.
Getting a Lynx licence is not easy either. The above area they applied for 12 licences and got one. You can only hunt them around this time of year, and at the last phone call some days ago there was no snow and lots of rain. Making it impossible to hunt Lynx.
Lynx in the U.K ...............not really the room and too many people and dogs. 65 million live in the UK, only about 6 million in Finland.
Reintroducing bears, wolves and lynx sounds great.
However how many animals do you need to sustain a level population?
Then from this number what kind of area do these animals then require for territory?
This is the critical number for it's too big then the reintroduction is a no go.
I seem to recall a programme about the Yellowstone wolves not that long ago where one of the alpha males ran 35miles as he could sense a bison was dying.
Where in Britain could this happen without encroaching in on the public?
Also what happens when the first human (probably a child in the case of lynx) is killed because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time?
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However how many animals do you need to sustain a level population?
Then from this number what kind of area do these animals then require for territory?
This is the critical number for it's too big then the reintroduction is a no go.
I seem to recall a programme about the Yellowstone wolves not that long ago where one of the alpha males ran 35miles as he could sense a bison was dying.
Where in Britain could this happen without encroaching in on the public?
Also what happens when the first human (probably a child in the case of lynx) is killed because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time?
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Hayduke
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No mention of sheep because Lynx very rarely take them as they are woodland creatures, if sheep are in the forests . . . They shouldn't be there.
Lynx have always been in Finland, they are not recent, the Fin government support population management through licences. This is appropriate. Some hunters will pay big bucks to hunt lynx, not my bag though. It rains and snows here and I struggle with my cull sometimes, never mind. There is plenty of room in parts of the UK for Lynx. Belgium, Switzerland, France, Germany, Austria are highly populated advanced European societies and they are pro lynx.
There have been no cases of lynx taking a human, don't panic.
Lynx have always been in Finland, they are not recent, the Fin government support population management through licences. This is appropriate. Some hunters will pay big bucks to hunt lynx, not my bag though. It rains and snows here and I struggle with my cull sometimes, never mind. There is plenty of room in parts of the UK for Lynx. Belgium, Switzerland, France, Germany, Austria are highly populated advanced European societies and they are pro lynx.
There have been no cases of lynx taking a human, don't panic.
So the idiot bunny huggers will be complaining about murderous Lynx let loose on the bunny, deer and fox population?? Even more interesting would be the reaction if 1 killed a cat or a small dog. Whatever happens you can bet your pension they'll find a way to blame shooters.
As much as it would be good to see the return of the time of the lynx,a much smaller UK population,greater areas of open spaces etc etc IMO the whole landscape and situation within this isle has changed too significantly for man to yet again interfere with what he has already changed.
Such a reintroduction would end in yet greater tensions between the shooting/farming communities and conservation groups which in turn may eventually lead to greater restrictions in shooting in some areas.
As for boring fauna in the UK,I admit that compared to some countries it is relatively tame but there is still some interesting and varied wildlife out there
Such a reintroduction would end in yet greater tensions between the shooting/farming communities and conservation groups which in turn may eventually lead to greater restrictions in shooting in some areas.
As for boring fauna in the UK,I admit that compared to some countries it is relatively tame but there is still some interesting and varied wildlife out there
PointBlank
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Female lynx can have 4 kits every year between the ages of 2 and 13. As there will be no higher level predators for them then the infant mortality will be tiny, surely that potentially makes them worse than muntjac until they have run out of wildlife to eat?
Hayduke
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The country is over run with cats and dogs - tread in their sh*t everywhere - anyway in the real world lynx shun human, dog and cat habitat.
Regarding the landscape, Whilst the situation and landscape in Britain have changed, we continue to change it all the time - sometimes for better but often for worse. But the fact is we now have plenty of areas with enough forest to sustain lynx (arguably we may not have had 100 years ago). Reintroductions and restoration should be done with consent and there are growing numbers of landowners and wider public who are favourably disposed to what is now commonplace in Europe.
As for high lynx populations, their territories are 100 - 1,000km2, ie very low density and highly territorial. If numbers become a problem then issue a licence and let someone pay to cull.
Regarding the landscape, Whilst the situation and landscape in Britain have changed, we continue to change it all the time - sometimes for better but often for worse. But the fact is we now have plenty of areas with enough forest to sustain lynx (arguably we may not have had 100 years ago). Reintroductions and restoration should be done with consent and there are growing numbers of landowners and wider public who are favourably disposed to what is now commonplace in Europe.
As for high lynx populations, their territories are 100 - 1,000km2, ie very low density and highly territorial. If numbers become a problem then issue a licence and let someone pay to cull.
Like Sikamalc say's, there is simply no room but more importantly we as a nation are not prepared or educated in the slightest to deal with big predators were it be Lynx, Wolf or Bear.
As for improving the Fauna, it will bearly make a difference as sightings would scarce at best.
I can't think of one single area within the UK that would suit reintruduction on any of these animals, except maybe London.
As for improving the Fauna, it will bearly make a difference as sightings would scarce at best.
I can't think of one single area within the UK that would suit reintruduction on any of these animals, except maybe London.
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